An example of my ad – guess the number of replies

There’s this dating forum which enables you to make ads inviting other people to send you PMs. So, here’s my add, compared to most of them which are like “32, non-smoker, looking for a girl”.

About me- a guy, 24 years old, born and living in -xx-, 6feet2,  around 175 pounds, dark-brown hair and eyes. Quite intelligent, educated, tolerant, realistic, with good manners. Non-smoker, drinking only socially, I like to go to cinema or a pub more than visit a night club, but do visit them sometimes if I like the music.

I hate simpletons, superficiality, stupidty, hoard mentality and try to stay away from these things or treat them very harshly when I am forced to encounter them.

My greatest interests are history (my greatest love), especially war history, mostly World War II (I especially like the Eastern Front and –my country’s resistance movement–) and medieval history, politics, psychology, literature, especially history and books on war plus biographies. 

I am a huge film fan, looking for relatively unknown masterpieces.

My favorite sport is –nah, probably too close to revealing my location–, which I am greately interested in, I pay little attention to other sports.

What am I looking for? A serious, smart and responsible girl knowing what she wants, which is, in this case, serious relationship. I am emphasizing that I am looking for somebody from –my home town– (or the vicinity if you’re ready to come here often even if you’re not doing it now) and that I don’t want prolonged texting, one week is more than enough for me – I don’t want to get boggled down with a computer screen. Also, I am expecting your AIM/msn/skype account very soon, as these media are a lot faster than a forum.

I want a lot of kissing, hugging, long walks, talks about non-trivial matters and simply fulfilment with a girl who should be quite special to qualify for all these things, I know.

To show my harsher side- everyone contacting me to kill some time and gain some attention, anyone not knowing what they want or just looking for a pen pal will be immediately ignored. If you’re not interested in meeting in about a week (of course, if you find me interesting online) and if you’re not from -xx- don’t respond. If this ad seems too serious for you or if your first question will be why am I looking for a girl this way… think about if you want’ to contact me, we might not get along.

Regarding looks, my criteria really isn’t high – I don’t tolerate lack of teeth or rotten teeth, no hygiene and severe obesity.

And, yeah, I know how to laugh, in fact, I’m a huge romantic and I believe you exist and you’re mean for me and that we’ll find each other among all these brutes around us 🙂

Well, that’s it… Contact me if you like this message. I will only reply to messages that will contain… well, if I will reply to you you already know what they will contain.

If some of the few readers of this blog want to try and guess how many messages I got they are free to do so. It just makes me laugh to think how many replies are ordinarily terribly written messages getting -oh, gosh….

No wonder that the men are complaining about all of this while getting slimy responses from women blaming them for not being “positive enough”. Ugh. Makes me sick.

Oh, yeah, and I opened a female account with a basic description of an average body type, said I was young and want a boyfriend. Despite deleting messages constantly they would fill my Inbox of 75 messages maximun for three days in a row. But, yeah, women have it so hard.

Fuck you, liberals and clueless women. Your sick, unhuman delusions will be defeated.

55 thoughts on “An example of my ad – guess the number of replies

  1. Let’s look at your ad.
    “Quite intelligent, educated, tolerant, realistic, with good manners.”
    Translated: “I think very highly of myself. I expect you to do so as well.”

    “I hate simpletons, superficiality, stupidty, hoard mentality and try to stay away from these things or treat them very harshly when I am forced to encounter them.”
    Translated: “I don’t like you.”

    “I am emphasizing that I am looking for somebody from –my home town– (or the vicinity if you’re ready to come here often even if you’re not doing it now)”
    Thereby removing 99.9% of potential respondents; “if you don’t live here or are willing to come to me” (that’s always a good one, put the responsibility to travel on HER)

    “If you’re not interested in meeting in about a week”
    Translated: “I want a relationship RIGHT NOW and you’d better be ready for that.”

    “Regarding looks, my criteria really isn’t high – I don’t tolerate lack of teeth or rotten teeth, no hygiene and severe obesity.”
    Translated: I’m fucking desperate.”

    This is not a good ad. If you’re not getting responses, see above. This will send women running in the opposite direction.

    “Fuck you, liberals and clueless women. Your sick, unhuman delusions will be defeated.”
    Translation: “You’d better run in the opposite direction, and fast. I am on the verge of dangerous.”

    Dude, seriously. Sick. unhuman delusions? Really? This is how you want to attract women? I think this is not a good way to do it.

    • I think very highly of myself. I expect you to do so as well.

      That’s… One way of looking at it. As if your entire post. You know, I tried to make ads before, describing myself as a regular student with some interests looking for a normal girl blabla. Women replied, and most of them were hilariously dumb and had no idea about what they wanted to do with me. I also got burned badly by all of them in real life, when I finally got a date – girls with no interest in dating, with no time, girls who already had a boyfriend… Fucking terrible. So I tried this.

      I don’t like you

      If you are a simpleton, superficial, stupid and with hoard mentality like most people/girls are I don’t like you, yup. And if you think I don’t like you according to that post you will not reply. I don’t need any more average girls. I wanted to risk a snotty girl more than an average girl. Average girl is probably a sucky girl. My opinion on most women replying to these ads is extremely low.

      Thereby removing 99.9% of potential respondents; “if you don’t live here or are willing to come to me” (that’s always a good one, put the responsibility to travel on HER)


      I live near the center of a city containing million people (and my entire country is a quite small one) so it’s nowhere near that percentage. You’re probably from the Anglosphere and have differents conceptions of distance. There are also a lot of students from smaller towns who spend around 9 months of any year here. All of them would be acceptable but, yeah, maybe I should have mentioned that they would be acceptable. But if a girl hasn’t figured that out on her self she’s probably not the best candidate. Just like if she hasn’t figured that I’d also be traveling to her. Still, I should have added those things and this is my mistake. Would you call me too meticulous for an ad to be interesting if I did? Dunno, you’re the one critizing this.

      Translated: “I want a relationship RIGHT NOW and you’d better be ready for that.”

      Translated, I don’t want to spend weeks or months texting so you can find a boyfriend or decide you’re too busy or lose interest in the meantime, which of what happened to me at least 5 times. Or spend all that time just to see there’s no chemistry between us at all when we finally meet, which also happened. I don’t believe I am lucky enough to find some great love fate designed for me who I will chat with for months until we meet and live happily ever after. I’m trying to be realistic here.

      Translated: I’m fucking desperate.”

      This is where I actually might agree with you. I could say I really don’t care about looks as long she’s not obese and dirty or that I didn’t want an average looking girl with a beautiful soul being turned away by me saying looks matter a lot but then again I should have said that average would be good.

      Translation: “You’d better run in the opposite direction, and fast. I am on the verge of dangerous.”

      Dude, seriously. Sick. unhuman delusions? Really? This is how you want to attract women? I think this is not a good way to do it.

      Dude, this blog is about an idea that governments should institute a dating program in which women would be paid to go on 30 blind dates with lonely guys. If they find a suitable mate they would be paid as much as a woman who went on all thirty dates but couldn’t find a boyfriend. However, those women who couldn’t find a guy within 30 dates would be fired to prevents scammers in happy relationships making money by going on hundreds of dates with men they know they would almost certainly reject.

      Every liberal/feminist on this planet considers this pimping and economic exploitation of women because they 1. believe that men are to blame for their incel. Even if you’re a 30 year-old shy male with Aspergers who’s been bullied until he was 18.
      2. Have a cult of therapy which doesn’t solve the incel problem in almost all cases
      3. Basically have a very misandric attitude in which they blame men for everything
      4. Worship political correctness in which you cannot say that people that fucking told they’re killing themselves because of incel did it because of incel because, according to them, they all had treateable diseases like depression, even if they were incel for decades and getting a partner would have improved their lives dramatically. When you tell them that most incels have gotten some sort of help from a mental professional they will tell you how you should have changed your therapist even if you did so many times and finally that it’s your fault because you don’t want to change.

      Every one of these beliefs is a dangerous delusion which costs lives of people inflicted with incel. Their attitudes are dangerous and create suicides and murder suicides. I won’t talk about Sodini, who had crazy, unrealistic expectations or Christine Chubbuck, whose case happened long ago. I will mention two guys from incel communties whose suicides I have witnessed. They are the victims.

      Also- while I still didn’t get a single reply I messaged two girls who left their own replies and they immediately said that my ad is great and started communicating with me. The problem is, since they left their own ads, they’re dealing with at least 40 guys, all of who want to date them so communicating with them is a real mess, I feel sorry for them. I’m not the only male there complaining about how difficult it is to get a woman to reply and replying to a female ad on that place is pure masochism. You might be competening with hundreds of males.

      All that being said, you’re free to try and make me your own ad if you feel like it and don’t think I’m insane by now. I will gladly post it and report back on the results.

  2. I don’t post ads. Just commenting on yours. Yes I am from the Anglosphere. I also live in a city of about a million. Most of whom don’t post ads to a dating site, I assume.

    “My opinion on most women replying to these ads is extremely low.”

    Uh, yes. That says it all. Women who reply to those ads…your opinion is extremely low. Way to go. That’ll draw them like flies to honey. Or not, if they have any sort of self-esteem. You know, I’ve found in my own life that women are actually people. Real, genuine people, just like us.

    “Your sick, unhuman delusions will be defeated.”

    This. What are their “sick, unhuman delusions”? What do you mean, and how will they be defeated?

    If your imaginary government program involves letting the paid women read the blogs of men they’re supposed to date, they will run away screaming. Why wouldn’t they?

    • Uh, yes. That says it all. Women who reply to those ads…your opinion is extremely low. Way to go. That’ll draw them like flies to honey. Or not, if they have any sort of self-esteem. You know, I’ve found in my own life that women are actually people. Real, genuine people, just like us.

      My opinion on them is mostly low because at least two-thirds of them replied to ads saying, all before we met, that they’re not looking for a relationship at the moment, wrote 3 words sentences, stopped replying in 2 days because they found somebody else or just stopped replying for no reason I know of , were unable to talk about anything than shoes and how much they miss their ex, talked with 10 other guys at the same time etc etc. I would be a fool to respect such women though I treated them with respect because I’m just so damn desperate. Of course there were exceptions and girls who know what they wanted and those were the ones I met in real life quickly but they were rare.

      Your pathetic sentence on how women are actually people made me laugh. It’s so PC and hilarious that I have trouble taking you seriously anymore. I mean, I though they were beavers. Of course they are people – can’t people be superficial, dumb, mean, more than any other creature we know of?

      This. What are their “sick, unhuman delusions”? What do you mean, and how will they be defeated?

      I listed four of them I could think of in my last reply to you, didn’t you read it? Here it goes again…

      Every liberal/feminist on this planet considers this pimping and economic exploitation of women because they 1. believe that men are to blame for their incel. Even if you’re a 30 year-old shy male with Aspergers who’s been bullied until he was 18.
      2. Have a cult of therapy which doesn’t solve the incel problem in almost all cases
      3. Basically have a very misandric attitude in which they blame men for everything
      4. Worship political correctness in which you cannot say that people that fucking told they’re killing themselves because of incel did it because of incel because, according to them, they all had treateable diseases like depression, even if they were incel for decades and getting a partner would have improved their lives dramatically. When you tell them that most incels have gotten some sort of help from a mental professional they will tell you how you should have changed your therapist even if you did so many times and finally that it’s your fault because you don’t want to change.

      They will be defeated when feminism and liberalism collapse. I will not explain how this will happen now but a rising number of frustrated incel men will play a part in it. Incel forums and blogs appearing are a sign that the problem exists. I just have an extreme way of trying to help such men because I saw them die for not getting help over it.

      If your imaginary government program involves letting the paid women read the blogs of men they’re supposed to date, they will run away screaming. Why wouldn’t they?

      If they’re irrational feminists who think my program exploits somebody, hardcore libertarians who despise every government intervention or some other combination then yes. I must admit I’d have second thoughts about showing this blog to my girlfriend, but that is only because I am so desperate that I have to take almost any woman I can get. I am, after all, an incel. An intelligent woman of my dreams would understand my ideas, even if she thought them to me impractical, believed that governments would never do that because they don’t care or just didn’t believe governments should be involved. But she wouldn’t run screaming away, no.

      My last girlfriend knew about this blog but thought that the idea will never happen and even joked about how our Prime Minister found her for me. I am sure this blog had nothing to do with why we broke up, we hardly ever mentioned it.

  3. “stopped replying in 2 days because they found somebody else or just stopped replying for no reason I know of”

    Or that they stopped replying because you creeped them out with your desperation. “Come to me because I need your vagina right now” isn’t a big turnon.

    “Your pathetic sentence on how women are actually people made me laugh. It’s so PC and hilarious that I have trouble taking you seriously anymore.”

    Not a problem. You see vaginas with legs, I see women. I don’t need you to take me seriously. Not here to be your friend, or your pimp-buddy. And yes, you do want a pimp. No, I don’t blame you for being incel; been there myself, but didn’t need the government or my parents to step in. Not saying I’m better than you, don’t assume that. Just saying pimping is A Bad Thing. Paying women to date you makes them hookers and gov’t a pimp. I know Aspies. They get along. You, you’re blaming outside sources for your incel. Not healthy, dude. Wanting pussy is normal. Demanding gov’t-provided pussy is not.

    Cult of therapy? We might have common ground there. Therapists get paid by the session, so have no need to make you better, into it for your money. Parse the word: “the rapists.” Not a fan.

    Misandry. Not a thing.

    Don’t worship PC. Just came to the realization that women are people, not beavers (nice choice of words. Deliberate, or Freudian slip?) Just like us, only softer and smell nice.

    Huh huh huh. He said beaver when he meant women. Funny.

    “They will be defeated when feminism and liberalism collapse.”

    Don’t hold your breath. Not seeing that happening anytime in my lifetime.

    “a rising number of frustrated incel men will play a part in it.”

    Oh, been reading MRM forums? The revolution is bullshit. Not enough incels to make it happen. The odd sick freak like Sodini is an odd sick freak, not a movement.

    ” I am so desperate that I have to take almost any woman I can get.”

    I am not a medical person of any type, nor do I play one on TV. But even I can see this is self-defeating. Any woman you can get, as long as she has teeth, will not be a person you can even like or respect, much less have a relationship with. You’ll have contempt for her and dislike her, and no wonder if you have nothing in common.

    Your rage is palpable. Not going to get you a girlfriend. Gov’t not going to either.

    • Or that they stopped replying because you creeped them out with your desperation. “Come to me because I need your vagina right now” isn’t a big turnon.

      This is assumption on your part. I see what you mean, as I keep saying I’m desperate but…. I know very well what being desperate means, I’ve acted desperate before. I did not act desperate with some girl I’ve never even seen in real life and talked for only 2 days, especially because I usually talk to more than one woman at the time, just like a huge majority of them talks to more than one male online. How do you explain the fact that intelligent women who knew what they wanted and with whom I arranged dates very soon after they contacted me didn’t flake? Was I that desperate or was the problem with those other women?

      Most of my desperation shows only after the break up. I am a complete mess after one, knowing that it might take years for me to find another woman or even have sex.

      Not a problem. You see vaginas with legs, I see women. I don’t need you to take me seriously. Not here to be your friend, or your pimp-buddy. And yes, you do want a pimp. No, I don’t blame you for being incel; been there myself, but didn’t need the government or my parents to step in. Not saying I’m better than you, don’t assume that. Just saying pimping is A Bad Thing. Paying women to date you makes them hookers and gov’t a pimp. I know Aspies. They get along. You, you’re blaming outside sources for your incel. Not healthy, dude. Wanting pussy is normal. Demanding gov’t-provided pussy is not.

      I don’t see them as vaginas with legs. That’s just insulting and stupid. I spend enormous amounts of time talking to a girl I’m dating. Almost all of them initiated our first kiss, as I had an extreme phobia of making any initiative until I was 23. It’s called love-shyness and is an irrational phobia or making or reciprocating romantic advances. I have beaten it not two years ago. Both girls I had sex with initiatated it themselves. Heck, I spent 8 months in a sexless relationship because I couldn’t do anything and she eventually left me but that’s not a real example as she was very shy and I was still love-shy at the time. Still, I didn’t obsess with when I am going to fuck her, just assumed it will happen one day but it never did.

      I also managed to find girls without governments or parents but I started very late and after every break-up I had a mental breakdown of sorts, not being able to function for months, years even. Especially after that girl I dated for 8 months left me after promising that we should try sex after leaving me and me screwing it up the next day because I was so angry over her leaving me. I won’t even mention that 2007 case, which was a pure tragedy for somebody like me because a beutiful girl said she wants to be in a sexual relationship with me at a time when all my experiences were a few kisses and I screwed it up.

      Leaving me to deal with this on my own is extremely dangerous. I’ve lived through hell because I was left to deal with it on my own.

      Women who would be paid to GO ON A BLIND DATE, NOT DATE THE GUY aren’t hookers. They are free to reject him. Hookers rarely, if ever, reject their customers. In many cases pimps don’t allow them – in this case, government allows the woman to reject the guy and never see him again after the date. Pimps get partial sums of what hookers earn. In this case, government doesn’t get money, it only pays the women.

      As for Aspies getting along, I suggest you check my other blog, there’s an article on how certain Aspie women and men see incels- http://letstrashincels.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/incels-would-surely-be-treated-well-on-an-aspie-forum/ … This one woman vehemently opposes prostitution in her posts, for example, when it could help many Aspies.

      I’m blaming outside sources for my incel now, when I’m 24 and no longer able to find a woman anywhere. It was my fault that I didn’t take 3 great chances when I was 16 – my life could have been completely different now -but at that time I was too scared to meet a 16 year-old girl in real life!- or that I missed several other chances. But my situation is what is now. That SMS dating service where you could meet interested girls every day 2002-2007 is now not what it used to be, it’s full of gays and scammers.
      Btw, you think people on welfare didn’t make mistakes? Serious mistakes, wrong decisions in which the opposite decision could have made them financially stable? That’s my situation now.

      And again, ffs, those girls would be looking for boyfriends, not sex. BOYFRIENDS, NOT SEX. Never once did I mention it’s about looking for sex. Unless you’re just being crass and are saying they would give pussy in a relationship anyway. Yes, but that’s not the point.

      Cult of therapy? We might have common ground there. Therapists get paid by the session, so have no need to make you better, into it for your money. Parse the word: “the rapists.” Not a fan.

      Therapists can’t help incels. They can’t make a love-shy guy who’s terrified of approaching women or reciprocating do anything, the fear, at least in my cases and many cases I have read, is simply too great. I have beaten it by kissing an ugly girl I didn’t care about at the time. But that was when I finally realized that I’m too old to have this phobia, so I felt the fear and did it anyway. But, yeah, her being ugly helped.

      Therapist can’t make pure incels desired by women.

      Misandry. Not a thing.

      Are you saying there is no misandry among some of the feminists and liberals? I disagree and there are plenty of examples that it does exist. I won’t mention radical feminists but people like Armanda Marcotte, Hugo Schwyzer and many others I’ve read online are misandrists. It’s just shit wrapped in nice, verbose paper. Or are all the authors writing about misandry and every MRA completely wrong?

      What about misogyny? Is that a thing?

      Don’t worship PC. Just came to the realization that women are people, not beavers (nice choice of words. Deliberate, or Freudian slip?) Just like us, only softer and smell nice.

      Huh huh huh. He said beaver when he meant women. Funny.

      I don’t understand this part, really. My point was to mock you for tutoring me on how women are people (which is a sign of extreme PC language and just so pathetic) so I remembered some animal as a joke. I think it would be less funny if I said giraffes or whales. Please note than English isn’t my first language.

      Don’t hold your breath. Not seeing that happening anytime in my lifetime.

      It will happen eventually though I agree that it will take many more years. But I am too tired to explain how and why now, this post is already extremely long and you didn’t ask why anyway.

      Oh, been reading MRM forums? The revolution is bullshit. Not enough incels to make it happen. The odd sick freak like Sodini is an odd sick freak, not a movement.

      Collapse of feminism and liberalism will mostly happen on its own because the current system in unsustainable. MRAs and incels who understand the situation will be those who will be most prepared.

      One reason why I would call Sodini sick is that he wanted a 20 year-old girlfriend and never tried dating abroad (still, he tried PUA so it’s not like he didn’t do anything at all to try and solve his incel). But if we disregard that I don’t see why somebody wouldn’t snap after 20 years of incel, though I would have more understanding if he was poor and didn’t have a choice of dating abroad.

      I am not a medical person of any type, nor do I play one on TV. But even I can see this is self-defeating. Any woman you can get, as long as she has teeth, will not be a person you can even like or respect, much less have a relationship with. You’ll have contempt for her and dislike her, and no wonder if you have nothing in common.

      If I’ll have contempt for her and dislike it will be because of certain traits she has. It’s not probable that a person with such traits would like me either. And she would feel my dislike of her too. It’s not like I’ll hate her while she’ll be madly in love with me. Relationships go both ways. Even if we entered a relationship we would break up soon, and I would go on looking for a more compatible girlfriend.

      It’s true I don’t have much in common with an average human being so, yes, getting a girl I would have something in common with is extremely hard.

      I respected both of my girlfriends. My first girlfriend is an extremely intelligent woman. Our relationship was getting more and more prostrate with frustration due to the fact I couldn’t take her clothes off and have sex with her while she would freeze at my every attempt. I was getting more and more depressed because of that and she eventually couldn’t take it anymore. Even after she broke my heart to pieces by leaving me in a way I described -she wanted to have sex after she left me, I picked a fight because I was extremely hurt and then she stopped wanting sex, even if I begged her to do it with me just half an hour later. Btw, she also said she’s not sorry for never having sex with me. That event alone is something very, very traumatic which will leave a huge scar for a lifetime. Despite all of that, I still retained some contact with her though the bitterness and the anger over what she did to me will never go away.

      My second girlfriend was psychotic and broke up with me every day over shit like me playing SongPop with an American girl she thought was my lover or not answering the phone because I was asleep. But you should see our Facebook chats – it’s full of me apologizing to her for stupid shit like that, giving her my Facebook password, and making plans for the future while constantly created problem after a problem. I eventually left her because she was moving even further away from my city (it was a long distance relationship) and she didn’t care at all.
      You might say that all that wasn’t real, healthy respect but that’s bullshit. I always try to see to good in people if I feel they deserve it.

      Your rage is palpable. Not going to get you a girlfriend. Gov’t not going to either.

      Have you read the summary of my dating life? I am sorry if it looks normal to you but the amount of frustration, grief and agony in there is enormous. I have every right to be angry, both at myself and others.
      I don’t believe I will ever get a girlfriend again. I should have had one when I was 16. By now I am obviously beyond repair.

      And I know that the government won’t find me a girlfriend. This is just a blog theorizing about it. Most of the posts aren’t about it anyway. However, if I ever write a book I’m planning or do something that will shock the public people will be talking about me and this idea. That alone is enough to keep me going, for I don’t have much else left in life.

      • Both girls I had sex with initiatated it themselves

        One of them “initiated” it because you posted shit about her online and offered to trade you sex to take it down – which you accepte (which makes you a creepy, exploitive asshole, and the fact that you apparently see nothing wrong with what you did may be part of the reason for your “incel”)

        Therapists can’t help incels.

        Therapy works a lot better if you don’t try to fuck your therapist and then declare her useless when she says no.

        • I saw your post on Manboobz and would answer it if I hadn’t gotten banned before I could.

          One of them “initiated” it because you posted shit about her online

          All I posted was her picture, without her name. I would prove it to you by reposting that blog entry for some time but it seems I deleted it completely. There’s more to this story than you know. Our initial deal of one hour and no kissing or cuddling turned into five hours with kissing and cuddling. After we had sex she sent me a message saying it was great because we both wanted it badly. I suggest you check the comments here http://governmentsgetgirlfriends.wordpress.com/2012/09/30/a-personal-post-on-suicide/ and compare the two she made, her nickname is Anitram.
          I described what she did before I got so angry that I put her picture on two blog entries. It seems strange that she would treat me that way if she needed sex badly, but then again, she is an extremely spoiled and problematic person.
          She also wanted to be in a relationship with me after it happened. When I asked her why she behaved to me in that way before I put the picture up she just said I was nobody important to her and she got off on torturing me.

          which you accepte (which makes you a creepy, exploitive asshole, and the fact that you apparently see nothing wrong with what you did may be part of the reason for your “incel”)

          Hahaahha… So typical for what is presumably a noncel feminist person. Were you ever incel? Did you ever date any men who were? Do you even know any incels (don’t mention people who chose to be celibate)? Doubt it… You have no idea what despair incel brings to a person with normal emotional and sexual urges. When she changed her mind the second time I was in tears, begging her not to do that and even offered her money to do it, which she rejected. At least you didn’t repeat the lie that I blackmailed her, which I didn’t, as I was just gonna leave the picture there out of anger and humiliation and not call her again. I’d blackmail her for sure if I thought it would work but believed she would just refuse. I would be absolutely crazy not to accept it. I would even accept if she wanted money along with me taking her picture down. Pussy is everything to me. I knew it might take years to get another chance to have sex if I don’t accept it. If I hadn’t accepted it my only sexual experience to date would be having sex twice for like 30 seconds. This way I had not just one we agreed on but 7-8 sexual encounters with her and gained some experience. If you take into consideration that I never visited a prostitute nor do I intend to this experience is priceless.
          Of course, you don’t understand this and don’t care because you obviously don’t understand incel and the amount of pain and desparation it brings. Many people don’t. A guy who once offered me pills for the “30 seconds thing” (before I had sex with this second girl, where I did ok) because he didn’t understand why I couldn’t even think about the next time I would have sex was unable to understand incel either but at least he had good intention. You’re just vile.

          A normal person wouldn’t allow her to treat him or her that way. I am not a normal person. I am so desperate that I even entered an predictably ill fated relationship with her after what she put me through because I believed she will change (and for sex, naturally). Of course she didn’t change and continued treating me like shit the way she did before I did that.
          Stop applying your noncel normative criteria on me. It’s ridiculous.

          and the fact that you apparently see nothing wrong with what you did may be part of the reason for your “incel”

          Wrong? By whose standards? I just explained why it turned out to be great for me. I don’t care about societal standards. I am abnormal and fully accept that. If you think I wouldn’t be incel because I didn’t do that because I’d see it as dishonorable, wouldn’t care or wanted to be nice you’re wrong. I would still be incel in all of these cases. I know very well why I’m incel – for reasons like not experiencing dating/sex/relationship in crucial teenage years due to shyness, having a circle of friends that doesn’t meet girls, refusal to cold approach because I know it’s not for me etc. Not because of how I reacted to some bitch who admitted she wanted to torture me. Your shaming attempts are bullshit. The sole fact you put incel in quote tells me everything about how you see incel – as something almost non-existent, happening to weak males you despise

          Therapy works a lot better if you don’t try to fuck your therapist and then declare her useless when she says no.

          She was useless anyway, as was every therapist I’ve ever been to. I tried to get something other than sex out of those sessions but couldn’t. I was a virgin when I asked that. I wouldn’t ask a female therapist for sex now as I’m not a virgin anymore and now that I’ve done it more than twice, thereby no longer being so inexperienced that I was willing to accept one time sex like that time with the girl you’re talking about, I know that doing it once would just make me feel worse. However, things could have easily turned the other way and I could have never met any of these two girls. In that case having sex with a female therapist would help me stop being in mental pain about my virginity. I was aware of possible complications and ready to cut all contact with her afterwards. The fact that she refused showed how much she understood the hell I was going through.
          I’m seeing a male therapist now. He thinks I’m delusional about my views that parents and government have to find me a girlfriend. Talk therapy doesn’t help at all, so I go to get meds for my depression and anxiety.

          Hope I explained something to you, don’t expect you to understand. You have shown yourself to be a stupid obnoxious person with no understanding of incel, so I don’t see any point in continuing. However, unlike Futrelle, I don’t ban people I disagree with using fake excuses there is firm evidence against, so if you want to continue to show those few regular readers here how stupid, obnoxious, callous and bereft of empathy for males, especially incel males and their very human urges average Manboobz commentators (and, in your case, also probably feminist women) are, feel free to continue to post.

  4. Funny how both this guy and Pecunium left when I explained why the women government would be sending on blind dates with incel men aren’t hookers and why government isn’t the pimp. Instread of addressing my arguments they just left.

  5. It’s obvious from the first few sentences why the ad didn’t work: it’s much too long, and FAR too prescriptive. And in addition to your laundry list of requirements, you come across as very demanding and controlling – you use the word “harsh” twice, and say that you “don’t tolerate” certain things.

    By contrast, the last time I used a dating site, I made it clear that the only nonnegotiable quality in a partner was that she had to have a sense of humor – literally everything else was up for discussion. And while my ad wasn’t quite as pithy as “32, non-smoker, looking for a girl”, it was a damn sight shorter than yours.

    Have a guess whether I was more successful?

    • ” it’s much too long”

      You say that, yet you don’t know that not all ads there are as short as that example I mentioned. There are quite a few ads longer than that, and I’ve even gotten longer replies from women in two cases (not for this ad, of course)… It’s not that long. An intelligent person will take time to read it. I don’t want any more airheads.

      “FAR too prescriptive”

      I simply can’t agree. I’m not looking for that much and I’m trying to avoid some problems that plagued me with many other girls that contacted me.

      A serious, smart and responsible girl knowing what she wants, which is, in this case, serious relationship.. I’m trying to be contacted by a person who knows what she wants and isn’t an airhead. I am emphasizing that I am looking for somebody from –my home town– (or the vicinity if you’re ready to come here often even if you’re not doing it now) and that I don’t want prolonged texting, one week is more than enough for me – I don’t want to get boggled down with a computer screen. Also, I am expecting your AIM/msn/skype account very soon, as these media are a lot faster than a forum.
      I don’t want a long distance relationship as I’ve been through one and hated it and I don’t want to spend a lot of time texting while the girl loses interest, finds somebody else or just gets distracted by something else – this has happened dozen of times !
      I want a lot of kissing, hugging, long walks, talks about non-trivial matters and simply fulfilment with a girl who should be quite special to qualify for all these things, I know.

      To show my harsher side- everyone contacting me to kill some time and gain some attention, anyone not knowing what they want or just looking for a pen pal will be immediately ignored. If you’re not interested in meeting in about a week (of course, if you find me interesting online) and if you’re not from -xx- don’t respond. If this ad seems too serious for you or if your first question will be why am I looking for a girl this way… think about if you want’ to contact me, we might not get along.-Sounds serious and stern but I’m simply trying to avoid a girl looking for some attention – that place is full of them, there are hundreds of males complaining about this

      “By contrast, the last time I used a dating site, I made it clear that the only nonnegotiable quality in a partner was that she had to have a sense of humor – literally everything else was up for discussion. And while my ad wasn’t quite as pithy as “32, non-smoker, looking for a girl”, it was a damn sight shorter than yours.

      Have a guess whether I was more successful?”

      It’s impossible to make an objective comparison as we’re talking about different types of sites in different countries and in what were probably different times. I believe you had success but I’m almost sure you wouldn’t attract women of any quality with that ad on the site I’m using. There’s just too many men competing for a woman there. All the girls I’m talking to now (some of them contacted me through a different ad, some of them I messaged myself using this one) are talking to at least 5 guys now. Sure, there were women who only talked to me but most of them talk to many guys.

  6. If you’re in competition with loads of other guys, it’s even more imperative that you take a long, hard look at the tone of your ad. To me, you don’t sound “serious and stern”, you sound intolerant, petulant and needlessly fussy.

    Seriously, you could rewrite your ad at half the length without losing any important content, and make yourself look much more appealing in the process.

    Even something as simple as deleting three specific paragraphs (“I hate simpletons…”, “To show my harsher side…” and “Regarding looks…”) would make a very significant difference to how you come across – and you could use the space you’ve saved to make YOURSELF sound more interesting. And therefore more competitive.

  7. I love how you called me “vile” after admitting you’d totally blackmail a woman for sex if you could. You think your incel gives you the right to abuse and exploit other people. That, by the way, is why I keep putting “incel” in quotes: because you could stop being a shitty person and causing women to flee in terror if you wanted, but you’d rather proposition your therapists than work with them – or even hire a goddamn escort. Your celibacy is entirely voluntary.

    • I love how you called me “vile” after admitting you’d totally blackmail a woman for sex if you could.

      But how else would I get sex? It’s extremely hard to come by for me, which you are obviously simply unable to understand. Also, I didn’t say I’d blackmail any woman, I said I’d blackmail that fucking cunt who admitted she wanted to torture me for fun. But, yeah, I’d blackmail a lot of women for sex if I could get away with it. Though my celibacy is “entirely voluntary”.

      You think your incel gives you the right to abuse and exploit other people.

      You conviniently leave out the fact that she admitted she wanted to torture me. Also, “this abused and exploited” whore wanted to be in a relationship with me after it happened, which you also conveniently leave out. You’re a true example of the David Lietelle’s School of Discussion – you lie so brazenly while being completely shameless about it.

      because you could stop being a shitty person and causing women to flee in terror if you wanted, but you’d rather proposition your therapists than work with them – or even hire a goddamn escort.

      How am I a shitty person beside the fact that I published her photo after she started torturing me? Do you have any other examples? You say that women flee in terror, yet it never happened before this last date – you’re simply assuming, and your assumption is false, of course.
      As is your sentence that I’d rather proposition my therapists than work with them after I’ve not only told you I’ve tried to work with my female therapist before I saw it was going nowhere but that I have a male therapist now, which is also going nowhere.
      But keep insisting. It’s a common fact that liberal lunatics like you see therapy as Christians see their God and that you will never see it for what it is – a waste of time and charlatanism.

      Your celibacy is entirely voluntary.

      Ok, so I decided that I no longer wish to be celibate – what do I do? Besides no longer being a shitty person, for which you have no proof but one event where I stoop up to myself against a bitch who admitted she wanted to torture me or working with my therapists when I am in therapy right now.

  8. Here’s an ad that will work—guaranteed:

    “I’m 32 and looking for a piece of ass. I don’t have a job, except when I’m in jail. That’s the only time I bathe too.

    Hobbies include watching Cartoon Network, doing drugs, and getting laid. The bitch I want should support me, and not call the cops everytime I beat her up.”

    In fairness, I’ve never posted an ad like this; however most men who fit such a profile are total ‘chick magnets’. Of course, you’ll have to re-write the wording to sound less educated and more illiterate.

    • I keep reading stuff like this, but I’ve never actually met a woman who’s the slightest bit attracted by anyone who fits that description. I daresay there are a handful, but they’re certainly not the norm.

      Where I suspect this impression comes from is the fact that many women do very much appreciate their partners to be confident and assertive, even if they’re confident and assertive themselves.

      But that’s not “assertive” in the sense of “being a selfish asshole and abusive with it”, it’s “assertive” in the sense of not being a human doormat. Meekly agreeing to everything your partner suggests in the hope that this will get you laid regularly is not the basis for a lasting relationship.

      • Gorija:
        The reason you keep reading stuff like this is because the women who claim not to be slightest bit attracted to these kinds of males are lying. Don’t listen to their words; watch their actions. They’ll treat any real man with cold indifference but throw themselves at dysfuntcional males at the first available opportunity.

        ‘Many women do very much appreciate their partners to be confident and assertive.’

        No. They have especial contempt for confident and assertive men. That’s because they believe themselves superior to men and only feel comfortable with males low enough to validate their own Superiority Complexes. Most of these thugs they choose, if anyone closely enough, are not confident or assertive at all; but utterly and hopelessly dependent on women to enable their vices.

        • “The reason you keep reading stuff like this is because the women who claim not to be slightest bit attracted to these kinds of males are lying. Don’t listen to their words; watch their actions. They’ll treat any real man with cold indifference but throw themselves at dysfuntcional males at the first available opportunity.”

          Believe me, I have both listened to their words AND watched their actions. Some of my closest female friends date back 25 years or more, and many others have notched up more than a decade. Most of them are very happily ensconced in long-term relationships with patently decent men – and out of dozens if not hundreds of relationships whose workings I’ve observed first hand, I don’t know ANYONE who’s willingly dumped a good match in favor of one of these stereotypical alpha males.

          (I do, of course, know people who’ve made unsuitable matches in the first place – I have myself – but that’s a different issue.)

          “No. They have especial contempt for confident and assertive men. That’s because they believe themselves superior to men and only feel comfortable with males low enough to validate their own Superiority Complexes.”

          My wife wanted a partnership of equals, not some kind of metaphorical (or literal) sub-dom relationship. My job relies on me being confident and assertive, because as a freelancer I effectively have to sell myself every few days. Why would she despise that, given the freedom and flexibility that it brings us, and the fact that we see far more of each other than we ever did when I was a salaried office drone?

          I don’t mean to pry, but do you have many female friends? You seem very fond of spouting dubious statistics, but I’m not getting much sense of first-hand experience from your posts. Largely because they revolve around a vision of women as some kind of sinister and scary alien “other”, not as the fellow human beings that they actually are.

      • LOL—Like this guy?
        UPI 10/8/2012: “The girlfriend of Joran Vandersloot is three months pregnant, his lawyer said. The unnamed woman was impregnated during an unsupervised visit in June.
        “Vandersloot. of the Netherlands, was twice arrested on suspicion of murdering American Natalee Holloway and is wanted in the United States on extortion charges…he is currently serving a 28-year sentence for the murder of Stefany Flores.”

        LOL—the third time’s a charm! At least one lucky bitch got to bear the thug’s baby and escape with her life! LOLLLLLLLL

  9. Okay, so I’m a woman and a liberal so you might completely discount what I’m saying here, but I can tell you a lot of what’s wrong with your profile. First, you’re very negative. Don’t list things you “hate” about people, that reads as very pessimistic and isn’t terribly attractive. It may be honest but it won’t attract women, so you should steer clear of that kind of language. Second, your entire profile is very matter-of-fact and rather somber. Or to put it a different way — where is your sense of humor?? Women want to date someone that is fun, enjoyable to be around, and makes them feel good about themselves. A profile is supposed to be where you sell yourself, and frankly, you’re doing a lousy job. Most of your profile is about what YOU want and YOU need out of a partner… what you need to do is lighten up, and sell to your audience. Why would you be a good boyfriend? What can you offer a woman that other men can’t? A scant paragraph isn’t enough, neither is saying that you’re “realistic” and “tolerant”. I mean, it’s a descriptor, but it’s not at all captivating. Frankly, you make yourself sound boring as a stump of wood.

    “Mom, I just met the most amazing man! He’s so realistic and tolerant!” <– Said no woman, ever.

    And last, stay away from the whole one-week deadline thing. I know you're hoping to weed out girls who aren't looking for a real relationship, but you've admitted yourself that you are mostly contacted by those kinds of women, so that line obviously isn't working. What it is most certainly doing, however, is turning lots of people off. It makes contacting you a COMMITMENT, you savvy? And who knows if you're going to hit it off? You can easily say that you're looking for someone who wants to make things serious and meet IRL, but when you push the issue in your profile (especially with a timeline) you seem needy, and all too ready to get superserious! with a girl. No deadlines, period. Leave it. Let people contact you and if you hit it off, then you can see if you can arrange to meet face-to-face.

    Oh, and that last line of your post? Totally unnecessary. Blasting women isn't going to make your love life any better. You can't control if women find you attractive or want to be with you, you can only control your own behavior. So why not start by working on yourself, on becoming a better man and a more appealing mate? 'Cause putting all of your impotent anger into hating on women isn't going to get you anywhere (and makes you kind of a dick).

    • Rachel:
      The best thing to do is do what works: he needs to wear his pants down around his kneecaps; smell like a hog; and behave like a retard. That’s what appeals to women, whether you’ll admit it or not.

      Do you really think that thugs stand around on street corners making rude cat-calls at women because it’s NOT getting results? LOL

      Trying to come across as a reasonable human in an ad like this will end only with women laughing at him as ‘a boring nice guy’, then hurling themselves into bed with the nearest scum available!

    • It’s nice to see someone else who lives on the same planet that I do when it comes to dating and relationships. And you (Rachel) are of course completely right about the various priorities – when I look back over my own various relationships, there’s an overwhelming correlation between how much we shared a sense of humor and the overall success of the relationship. In fact, amongst the relationships I look back on most fondly, that was really the only constant – other than that, my girlfriends came in all shapes, sizes, ages and nationalities, with any number of diverse interests.

      The crucial thing in dating is to make yourself look interesting and appealing, and laying down the law right from the off creates completely the wrong impression. Sadly, I don’t have the ad that snared me the love of my life any more, but I do remember that I worded it in such a way that I made it clear what kind of partner I was looking for without being prescriptive in any way.

      You want someone intelligent and cultured? Mention a serious interest in intelligent and cultured things – and don’t just say something vague like “relatively obscure films”, give specific examples. I know plenty of people who regard anything not in English as “relatively obscure”, but to me there’s a colossal difference between a world-renowned classic like ‘La Dolce Vita’ and, say, ‘Damn You, Mosquitos!’, which few people will have heard of outside its native Hungary.

      And a good first date primarily has to be fun. The odds are that she won’t end up as a long-term partner – but this doesn’t matter. Some of my closest friends to this day didn’t work out as dates, but we had enough in common to want to keep in touch – and having a large number of close but platonic female friends gives you a major advantage when it comes to both meeting potential partners and understanding their point of view.

      All the angst and bitterness about the past can come out later – and it may not have to come out at all. After all, there are few things more damaging than letting past failures cast a shadow over possible future successes. And Rachel is absolutely right about not setting deadlines or targets: let things proceed at their own pace. You’re only 24, which may seem ancient to you but it’s nothing to me – I was a full ten years older when I finally struck lifetime-partner gold. Trying to speed things up artificially makes you look needy at best and desperate at worst, and there are few things more likely to turn someone right off you.

  10. Gojira:
    What dubious statistics are you talking about?

    “I don’t know of ANYONE who’s dumped a good match in favor of one of these stereotypical alpha males.”

    I cannot believe this statement is even true. I know dozens of men just like this, who’ve had this happen to them.

    “Do you have many female friends? I’m not getting much sense of actual first-hand experience.”

    Nice try at Shaming Language, but no dice. But to answer your question: I don’t have any close female friends—nor do I especially desire any—BECAUSE of actual first-hand experience(s).

    “They revolve around a vision of women as some kind of sinister and scary alien ‘other'”

    A vision which women themselves have largely promoted.

    “Not as the fellow-human beings that they actually are.”

    I’ll remind you that it’s the women among us who regard all men as ‘dogs’ or ‘male pigs’ or ape-like creatures who ‘think with their penises’ and a plethora of other vile epithets they expend on us freely. Basically, they are anti-male bigots and will treat men accordingly.

    • It wasn’t an attempt at “shaming language” at all – it was a perfectly straightforward question, and an entirely reasonable one given the way you’ve been consistently stereotyping and pigeonholing “women” as though they were some kind of monolithic hivemind. Which is why I wasn’t the least bit surprised by your answer.

      Still, I don’t imagine anyone is the least bit bothered about you voluntarily taking yourself out of the dating pool. Anyone who’s prepared to crudely stereotype half the population while at the same time condemning THEM for (allegedly) being “bigots” is clearly lacking both a sense of irony and a sense of humor – which in my experience are two of the most essential qualities that one needs to possess in order to keep a relationship going.

      • Gojira:
        “I don’t imagine anyone is the least bit bothered by you voluntarily taking yourself out of the dating pool.”

        Considering that I’m gainfully employed, literate, and bathe daily, you’re probably right.

        “The two most essential qualities &c &c &c:”

        Those probably are necessary when a relationship centers on Vagina-Worship, as yours evidently does.

        Are you denying though that women possess bigoted attitudes against men?

  11. “Those probably are necessary when a relationship centers on Vagina-Worship, as yours evidently does.”

    The phrase “Vagina-Worship” reveals far more about you and your reductive mindset than it does about anything else. Do you genuinely think that women offer nothing more than warm moist holes to massage your dick?

    I have a large number of good female friends, and on looking down my current Facebook list I see that I’m acquainted with the vaginas of just four of them. The rest I hang out with because I like them as people – we have a lot of common interests, they’re good conversationalists, we make each other laugh, and we have absolutely no interest in going any further (not least because they know that I’m married and most of them are too, or at least in long-term relationships).

    As for so-called “Vagina-Worship” within my own relationship – well, yes, obviously. Not just her vagina, but her vulva, labia, clitoris, breasts, face, nose, eyes, mouth and the rest of her body. And in turn she seems pretty convincingly keen on my various bits and pieces. Sex would be appallingly dull if it just consisted of what John Lydon famously called “two minutes and 52 seconds of squelching noises”, but rather too many people – the majority of them male, I suspect – seem to think that that’s the highest level to aspire to.

    “Are you denying though that women possess bigoted attitudes against men?”

    Of course I am. There are three-and-a-half billion women on the planet, and the notion that they’re a single gigantic hivemind with just one opinion is ludicrous. Clearly, SOME women possess bigoted attitudes against men, but the human race would quickly die out if that was true of all of them. And I genuinely don’t think that any of my female friends have bigoted anti-male attitudes, for the simple reason that they probably wouldn’t be friends of mine in the first place if they did.

  12. I’m late to this party, but as a female, trying to look at this sample ad with a fresh perspective and without the context of the rest of your blog, I can tell you exactly when I would have rejected this ad…

    “I hate simpletons, superficiality, stupidty, hoard mentality and try to stay away from these things or treat them very harshly when I am forced to encounter them.”

    Mentioning that you hate simpletons, yet misspelling “stupidity” and “horde.”

    • 1. The ad wasn’t in English, as I’m not from an English speaking country, so you would have no grounds to reject it.
      2. Misspelling words doesn’t necessarily make you a simpleton.

      But, damn, how did I make those mistakes? Shameful 😦

  13. The fact that this sentence…

    I hate simpletons, superficiality, stupidty, hoard mentality and try to stay away from these things or treat them very harshly when I am forced to encounter them.

    …might not have appeared in English is irrelevant. If it’s an accurate translation of what you originally wrote, it’s the attitude that stinks, not the wording.

    • Agreed. It’s like applying for a prestigious job, addressing it to the HR manager, boss, or whomever, and including a paragraph near the beginning that says this:

      “I hate working with whiny losers, pathetic perverts, and incompetent leaders. My last boss was a jerk and I have no patience for that. If you fit into one of these categories, then disregard this cover letter immediately. I have no time for dumbasses.”

      All of those things may be true and accurate, but it would make YOU sound like a whiny, irritable loser whom no one ELSE would want to work with. If you actually included it in your cover letter, do you REALLY think the phone would be ringing off the hook with job offers?

      Still wondering why your ad got so few responses?

  14. “it’s like applying for a prestigious job.”

    And these guys claim they are NOT vagina-worshippers?

    Ummm…how about if women actually had something to offer men to begin with? Imagine you applied for a job where you were promised a brutal separation in court, higher salaries to worse workers, the option to abort children, and any other form of abuse the employer felt was justified (depending on his mood).

    • I think he made the comment based on the ideas of putting your best foot forward. Something you should do on a first date and a job interview both.

      As for everything else Eric. I feel like you would be the sort of person based largely on your rhetoric on this site as well as your fervent arguments for those arguments that I would have trouble being friends with.

      I’m sure there is a chance I have plenty in common with you. You may like the same sports team I like. You may like the same kind of movies I like. There may be no reason why we would not be friends. But I promise the second you said any of the kind of stuff you say on here, I would no longer talk to you. I am thinking you must have been pretty hurt and I assure you that sucks.

      But I don’t think you have to base your whole view of every woman in the country as being terrible. I think so much of this comes down to your expectations for what kind of woman you want to find. If based on your previous posts which I have brought up in other rebuttals, one of which I am still waiting to be accepted, you speak in a similar manner and tone to your posts as I do I can see your issue. I personally did a full year of self imposed celibacy shortly after my previous relationship had ended. I went though multiple periods without relationships well before that as well.

      That full year I focused my self on becoming the kind of guy I wanted to be so I could attract the kind of woman I wanted to find. I go on an impromptu speed dating even and all the sudden I meet a great woman who though we broke up 4 months later I remain in contact with and we have lunch from time to time. Tried dating sites after and went through about 4 girls all of whom were perfectly nice and pleasant and around my age so we had plenty to talk about but nothing really clicked. I eventually went on a great date. I met a lovely girl and I am pretty happy.

      Granted I am a pretty decent looking guy with a good job but I have issues as well. Things that I had to find a person that found those traits as endearing or even attractive. I’m a total dork in a good few ways. For instance I keep coming back to the site for some reason when I just stumbled upon it one random day. I get compelled by certain things and waste tons of my time, enjoyably due to the fact that I love debate, by my self looking at this. My GF gets that and honestly likes that about me. And I just randomly met her online! Based on this I would not be surprised if would have been diagnosed with some light Aspergers were I not born later. Speech impediment growing up, a lot of spontaneity in my choices of interests, erratic grade patterns, a lot of these are textbook things.

      Even still I was successful I finding someone I really love and makes me happy every time I see her. Guess what? She was around my age. We have so much I common I constantly get surprised by how much we have in common. Bottom line is that I did some serious work on myself after a bad relationship that ended when it needed to and it paid off.

      Now on to this. One of the most odious stands I have seen someone take.

      And these guys claim they are NOT vagina-worshippers?

      Don’t get me wrong. I enjoy the fruits of the fairer sex. But do I need it to retain a basic level of sanity and do I obsess about missed opportunities like many of the men on this blog? No.I really enjoy the woman I am with. I have enjoyed women before her and it is for reasons that greatly differ. In all cases it was women that were driven and smart but their differences varied as much as my affection. I cared about them all and stay in touch with many of them today. I sir do not worship vagina based on this activity. I don’t think the responded to post has that mindset. For you to just bring that sort of thing up on your own really leads me to believe it is closer to your mindset than really you may think when talking to a woman.

      “Ummm…how about if women actually had something to offer men to begin with?

      Isn’t this whole problem on this blog about how women have something to offer men in the form of a unique relationship that if deprived of we somehow have serious issues going forward in life? Isn’t that something that a good woman would offer to you? If you stay with this attitude of no one meeting your standards then I dare ask what exactly are your standards? Do they indeed merit being so high in the likely case they are quite high?

      Imagine you applied for a job where you were promised a brutal separation in court, higher salaries to worse workers, the option to abort children, and any other form of abuse the employer felt was justified (depending on his mood). ”

      This is what drives people away. This kind of attitude is what absolutely must seep through after 30 minutes of talking to someone. It may not even be the ideas themselves but simply dragging simple straw men call back attacks to try and “win” an online argument is especially sinister. If this is the kind of way you talk to people if is obvious why you are better off staying away from dating.

      Ill give you the status of divorce like 75% maybe. I’m not sure your ideas but admit there may be some issues based on stereotypes. I totally ignore your statistics that 90% of divorce is female initiated though and disagree with them but in court women do sometimes have an advantage in divorce proceedings. Maybe this happened to you? If so I am sorry. But this mindset will certainly not help you get away from this.

      Abortion is totally a woman’s right however. I don’t even feel like men have a say in it. I can assure you that no woman does it “just because”. It is a traumatic event and those women should not be looked down on or shamed for any reason. Plain and simple men don’t have to carry it and give birth to it and have a profound connection with it like women do. It is simply biology

      Equal pay should be real. If they do the same job just as well they should get paid the same. Plain and simple.

      Any other form of abuse? What kind of abuse are you addressing? You are being poorly treated by women so is that the abuse? Ask your self how you are treating and speaking to them. Many of the people on this blog discuss their “missed chance” in pretty good detail. It borders on obsessing over it. They use rather blunt language in their descriptions of those encounters. I could probably find them if you want but I will assume you have seen them too. They address the moment as a situation after a decent date usually where they felt too shy to close the deal and harped on it. In these cases they blatantly stated things like not being young for ever and why not fu_k now because they are both horny teens. Then later describes like at least he thought he would get a BJ from this encounter if the person he brought was a gay guy and he were gay as well. If that is in any way the manner he broached this subject with this girl he has known for a long time then that practically guaranteed his success. There are other problems at play here. There are reasons the lonely men are here are lonely and it is not that they have been alone for so long.

      • just noticed a stray period. I feel Abortion is entirely the right of the woman without a doubt. Men should have ZERO say.

      • I personally did a full year of self imposed celibacy shortly after my previous relationship had ended. I went though multiple periods without relationships well before that as well. That full year I focused my self on becoming the kind of guy I wanted to be so I could attract the kind of woman I wanted to find. I go on an impromptu speed dating even and all the sudden I meet a great woman who though we broke up 4 months later I remain in contact with and we have lunch from time to time. Tried dating sites after and went through about 4 girls all of whom were perfectly nice and pleasant and around my age so we had plenty to talk about but nothing really clicked. I eventually went on a great date. I met a lovely girl and I am pretty happy.

        That’s pretty much what I did, and it also paid off spectacularly, with each successive partner lasting longer and longer, culminating in a marriage that’s lasted over a decade and which couldn’t be more rock-solid.

        In retrospect, I can’t imagine why anyone would have wanted to date my 22-year-old self, and I’m quite surprised that someone actually put up with me for six months. But my 25-year-old self was a far more attractive prospect, even though I was doing exactly the same job and living in the same place – because my whole attitude had changed. I stopped obsessing about sex as the be-all and end-all of relationships. I developed a far more complex and nuanced understanding of my female friends and what made them tick, and stopped putting women in contrived collective pigeonholes and started treating them as individual, independent-minded adults. In short, I grew up.

        And I’ve also stayed in touch with three of my exes, two of whom live abroad, but I still see the third one reasonably regularly. I’ve known her nearly twice as long as my wife, and sometimes you just need someone with a longer-term perspective – which is why my wife in turn keeps in touch with an ex-boyfriend from even further back. (His wife is as aware of this as I am, and just as cool with it.)

      • Don Gato:

        “I am thinking that you must have been pretty badly hurt and it sucks.”

        I think that a man would have to be a masochist to endure the ‘joys of a relationship’ today. One of the most enlightening things I learned from the MRM is that men being badly hurt are the rule today and not the exception. I use these statistics to show others that a good relationship is not typical. Even the census figures show that only a minority of children even live with their biological fathers: so much for the vaunted ‘maternal instinct.’

        That’s why I don’t think changing an attitude is helpful, but fatal, to men. A plantation-slave who took a positive attitude ended up flogged to death like Uncle Tom. The prudent ones got on the Underground Railroad and added years to their life expectancies.

        “isn’t the whole problem on this blog that women have something unique to offer men and if deprived we somehow have difficulties going on with our lives?”

        Yes—that IS the problem. But what women can offer and what they do are two different things. It’s nothing like an even-handed offering where both parties contribute something for the other’s benefits. What women offer men today is more like the choice between the INCEL difficulties and slavishly accepting whatever she chooses to dish out on you for no benefit to the man at all.

        I should also add that most men do enjoy ‘the fruits of the fairer sex’; it’s simply that you’re assuming that the exception proves the rule. You’re enjoying good fruit and it’s working out for you; but it’s best to remember that most men have nothing but barren trees in their own orchards.

      • Eric:
        Dude please stop trying to compare yourself to Black people in America during civil rights OR ESPECIALLY SLAVERY. That is the falsest of false correlations. If that is honestly how you feel then I dare say that has an awful lot to deal with your loneliness. For starters how many times today have you been:

        Beaten viciously
        Sold to the highest bidder
        Ripped apart from your family or loved ones
        Raped by your owner
        Forced to live in Squalor
        Abducted and kidnapped
        Branded like cattle
        Forced to mate to have your children stolen from you
        Forced by fear of violence or death to work back breaking labor every day till you drop dead
        Had packs of dogs sicced on you
        Lynched or otherwise executed without legal recourse
        Shot in the street for looking at the wrong woman
        Shot in the street for looking at the wrong man
        Tortured for attempted escape
        Had your constitutional rights taken away from you
        Blasted with Fire Hoses
        Beaten by police
        Improperly incarcerated
        Drug to death behind a truck
        Stalked and killed on your way home under the assumption you were up to no good
        Banished to a life filled with death, pain and suffering simply based on your circumstances at birth
        Counted as 3/5ths of a person

        I think there is not enough hyperbole in the word hyperbole to address this claim. Changing your attitudes towards people (both men and women because I think you have some issues with both) is in no way the same as being an “Uncle Tom”.

        I assure you I am no masochist. In fact I ended every bad relationship I have had on my own. But at the end of the day the fact that the relationship did not work was not entirely the fault of the girl I was with. Lots of factors go in to the lives of people. Mostly they were immature, as was I. Time goes on and eventually people grow up (usually). But it has nothing to do with some imaginary idea that women are being programed by society to despise men. That small number of children living with their biological fathers is a co-opted bit of data. Could one not put that blame on men who smash and dash? Relationships that were not very good to begin with resulting in a child? People having children before their life is stable enough to deal with all the stress? Our societies treatment of birth control, emergency contraception and abortion with such shame? I don’t think you can paint women as being the reason with such a wide brush like that. Divorce and separation is everywhere now and that has a lot more factors that simply “it is women’s fault”.

        Yes—that IS the problem. But what women can offer and what they do are two different things.

        What are you looking for them to offer?

        It’s nothing like an even-handed offering where both parties contribute something for the other’s benefits. What women offer men today is more like the choice between the INCEL difficulties and slavishly accepting whatever she chooses to dish out on you for no benefit to the man at all.

        There is your problem. If you feel the only thing you can get from a woman is simply not being Incel any more and that outside of that they will offer you nothing at all what so ever then you are not looking for a smart, charming, sweet, caring woman. Why would any of those traits matter if she has nothing else to offer, much less would ever offer it to you due to her being evil.

        So once again. What are you looking for them to offer?

        I should also add that most men do enjoy ‘the fruits of the fairer sex’; it’s simply that you’re assuming that the exception proves the rule. You’re enjoying good fruit and it’s working out for you; but it’s best to remember that most men have nothing but barren trees in their own orchards.

        Are you aware of the love life situation in China? Due to their one child policy and the years looking down on women there are now far fewer women than men in the most populated country on earth. You think the rich guys get all the women here? It is 10 times worse there. There are millions of men that will likely never have a chance for a real relationship. Many other countries have out of skew ratios as well. Even in America this happens, Look at Alaska, far more men than women. Those people in those places can complain about barren orchards. Something tells me you are in the mainland USA where this is likely not the problem. Maybe you live in a rural area so you will have more trouble finding someone near by. Move. That was going to be my plan assuming I was still unsuccessful in finding someone where I live. Sell my house and go somewhere I would likely have more in common with the people around me, I live in a very conservative part of the country which can be dicey for someone who voted twice for the president. Get a fresh start. It is a wonderful thing in this country that the size and diversity means if you don’t fit in where you are there is a chance there would be another place where you would fit in better. Is this a guarantee for success? No. But if you don’t even try you can’t blame other people for your issues. But I assure you if you don’t re think some of these positions (once again being alone and male does not have any thing to do with slavery) it does not matter where you go. You have to know exactly what you want and then the onus is on you to find it and do what is necessary to keep it. No that does not mean jumping through hoops for the amusement of a maniacal woman. Such a woman should not be what you are looking for. No I don’t believe for one second that most women are like that either. I have dated lots of women and none of them treated me like this. Ones that were a bit too needy, or manipulative showed those traits and I got out because that was not what I wanted. Of all of the women I dated for long periods of time they were perfectly fine women the majority of whom I talk to today or if I were to run into them would be happy to see me and vice versa.That leaves about 15% of the women I know to be wholly undesirable to me.(racists, homophobes, severely different habits) Probably another 25% I was simply incompatible with but would be perfectly fine for someone else.(mainly really liking things I don’t care about or vice versa) So that leaves 60% of women I know that would be ok for me, maybe not perfect but would be a good relationship. That is not bad numbers wise and once again I don’t even have a ton in common with the people in this area! In other cites those percentages could be even better. The USA is not a bad place to find a smart, charming, sweet, caring woman mainly due to the level of equality we have over other parts of the world. The greater number of experiences the more developed a person becomes. Many societies are so restrictive towards women that it stunts that progress. But then again maybe you and I want different things in a relationship. You said you did not but perhaps you do.

        • I think that a man would have to be a masochist to endure the ‘joys of a relationship’ today.

          I’m not remotely masochistic, and I’ve been enjoying one-to-one relationships for two solid decades – since I stopped being “incel” in 1992, I think the biggest gap has been two or three months.

          One of the most enlightening things I learned from the MRM is that men being badly hurt are the rule today and not the exception.

          Ah yes, the MRM, that well-known purveyor of impeccably balanced and unfailingly reliable data. That movement that doesn’t remotely have an interest in ensuring that men are as unhappy and angry as possible.

          I use these statistics to show others that a good relationship is not typical. Even the census figures show that only a minority of children even live with their biological fathers: so much for the vaunted ‘maternal instinct.’

          So what? When I embark on a relationship, I don’t dig out stats tables and calculate the probability that things might go wrong (or right) – all that matters is whether or not I click with the person in question on a one-to-one basis. And if the answer is “yes”, that’s even less reason to fall back on statistics. (And if it’s “no”, then I end the relationship as quickly as it’s decently possible).

          Yes—that IS the problem. But what women can offer and what they do are two different things. It’s nothing like an even-handed offering where both parties contribute something for the other’s benefits. What women offer men today is more like the choice between the INCEL difficulties and slavishly accepting whatever she chooses to dish out on you for no benefit to the man at all.

          Yet again you’re referring to “women” as though they’re some monolithic entity, instead of billions of individuals with wildly divergent lives, experiences, attitudes and expectations.

          I simply don’t recognise any of the women I know in person from your caricatures – in particular, I’ve never had a relationship that involves “slavishly accepting whatever she chooses to dish out”, and I think that that concept says far more about you (and the people that you choose to consort with) than it does about how the vast majority of people actually live their lives.

          If my wife wants a favor from me, she has to give me a similar favor in the very near future – that’s how we’ve always worked. Isn’t that just plain common sense? And how hard can this be to negotiate? Especially if you actually make time to have regular lengthy one-to-one conversations with your partner? (Which is where I suspect people in failed or failing relationships were most likely going wrong).

          I should also add that most men do enjoy ‘the fruits of the fairer sex’; it’s simply that you’re assuming that the exception proves the rule. You’re enjoying good fruit and it’s working out for you; but it’s best to remember that most men have nothing but barren trees in their own orchards.

          Most of the men (and women) in my own circle are far closer to myself and Don Gato than they are to you. And I don’t think we’re the least bit unusual.

    • I was about 5 seconds into feeling bad about doing all this. Presenting all these arguments to Eric feels like bullying.

      • I have some responses to Eric in the moderation que, but no expectation that they will go through. It doesn’t matter though. Such people are perversely happy in their unhappiness, and revel in being victims.

    • At what point in time did I either call you a pig, say I would not let you explain anything, or ask for you to get someone else to address any of what i have asked? I feel like your anti-male bias is showing due to all of that rampant speculation and generalization. I asked you about 20+ questions on all of these posts combined and would actually like to see you attempt to address those questions. See what I think is that you are not Incel at all but certainly Hicel. Hicel to a delusional level no less. I feel that other than venting your own anger issues at your self and others your posts here contribute absolutely nothing to the actual debate here. You just pop up and insult people trying to debate the points and arguments brought up on this site. If like I believe in my own opinion that you are incapable of answering these questions then it makes sense you would practice deflection like this out of simple self preservation instinct. Keep in mind any back handed comments I have made toward you on this site is entirely the product of how you have treated me and others and has nothing to do with your gender as my posts to other people are not nearly as bitter and vitriolic as what I reserve for you. So I ask again. Would you actually like to defend any of your positions or are you going to give in to the simple reality that you are wrong and utterly incapable of doing so?

  15. Eric, I’ve been listening to you for months. In fact, I’ve done a far more conscientious job of responding to the points that you’ve been making than vice versa.

    True, I almost invariably end up rejecting the arguments that you put forward, but that’s because they’re usually based on non sequiturs and wild fantasy. The problem with generalising about “women” (i.e. that strange, faintly scary species that you try to have as little to do with as possible) is that such generalisations are usually contradicted whenever I switch off my computer, go downstairs and talk to a real live one – and in most such situations I tend to come down on the side of the evidence provided by real life.

    As for the piece you linked to, what exactly are you trying to prove? Quite aside from the fact that it’s being hosted by a site whose agenda is all too transparent, its basic thesis is fundamentally flawed. Take this pivotal paragraph, for instance:

    Now, after heaping pressure, resentment, bitterness, anger, hatred, blame, shame, and lies upon men as a group, after bawling first for equality, then for preferential treatment, now for absolute power, after shoving men to the side in the pursuit of self-interest, the femosphere has the gall to be offended at the rejection represented by MGTOW.

    Seriously, how many factual errors can you cram into a short passage? To a very great extent, feminists are still fighting the equality battle. Very very few women of my acquaintance get preferential treatment – just to cite one glaring example, they’re still paid, on average, less than men for doing jobs posing equivalent or greater challenges, and are far more likely to encounter prejudice and even outright harassment in the workplace. And while I’d say a fairly substantial number of the women I know would identify as feminists (since I tend to gravitate towards intelligent and opinionated women), I can’t think of anyone who is after “absolute power”.

    Which isn’t to say that I’m denying that such people exist, but she’s making the classic mistake of assuming that the extreme views of radical feminists are somehow representative of mainstream feminist opinion – which is so clearly and demonstrably untrue that I find it impossible to take anyone seriously if they put it forward.

    And who exactly is “galled” by “the rejection represented by MGTOW”? The women I know, both online and off, are delighted whenever men who, for whatever reason, are temperamentally incapable of forming a viable relationship with a woman, decide to stop trying and go off on their own – just as my wife’s best friend has decided to give up on relationships with men after being cheated on and generally screwed over one too many times. Of course, it would be nice if they actually went their own way and stopped banging on about it every five minutes (and this applies just as much to my wife’s friend, although in fairness it’s my wife who bears the brunt of this: she’s the very epitome of politeness and respect towards me), but you can’t have everything.

    And the same goes for you, Eric: I absolutely respect your decision to cut women out of your life – you’re a grown adult, and that’s your right (just as it’s the right of an adult woman to make her decisions without requiring a man to countersign). But by your own admission, that makes you almost entirely unqualified to actually discuss what makes women and relationships tick, so why do you keep trying to do it in front of people who actually do know something about it? It would be like me trying to discuss China authoritatively in front of the Chinese couple who live a few houses away – I’m sure they’d be grateful for the entertainment, but it wouldn’t be especially edifying.

    • Are you two guys seriously trying to convince me, or convince yourselves?

      Don’t either of you two realize that, in these ‘wonderful relationships’ you brag about, that you have ZERO power? You are completely at the mercy of your ‘partners’ are trying to evade that fact by pointing at me and GGGF as the ones with ‘the problem’.

      All the INCELs whom you sneer at now could easily be yourselves in the future, because the minute your ‘partners’ consider you expendable, you will have no recourse; and if it comes to this, no legal protection, either. And I think that, at least on a subconscious level, you both know it; but want to deny it.

      In reality, you two sound like an executive in corporation who’s watching all his competitors outsourced and downsized and reduced to foreclosures, bankruptcies, and poverty; all the while trying to make yourselves believe that it can’t/won’t happen to you, because ‘they would never do that to me’. So all the others thought too.

      The MRM is filled with men who thought just like you do until repeated contacts with reality disillusioned them. In our culture, women gloat over their hatred for men—don’t be surprised when they act on that hatred and lash out at the first male pig in proximity (which will happen to be you).

      • Don’t either of you two realize that, in these ‘wonderful relationships’ you brag about, that you have ZERO power? You are completely at the mercy of your ‘partners’ are trying to evade that fact by pointing at me and GGGF as the ones with ‘the problem’.

        I love the way you jump to conclusions on the basis of no evidence whatever. I’ve told you repeatedly that my wife and I share power – in other words, if one of us wants to do something, the other automatically gets the freedom to do something similar at a later date. Neither of us gets preferential treatment, and no-one is at the “mercy” of the other – unless by that phrase you think that discussing plans in advance is somehow worse than just doing something without telling the person with whom you share your life, and just expecting her to put up with it even if it significantly inconveniences her.

        This notion of shared resources really shouldn’t a difficult concept to grasp, so I’m not sure why you have such a problem with it. Unless of course by “power” you mean that you genuinely think that relationships should be some kind of zero-sum game. And if that’s the case, that might well explain a great deal about your inability to sustain them, and indeed your bizarre belief that women are some kind of monolithic alien entity.

        All the INCELs whom you sneer at now could easily be yourselves in the future, because the minute your ‘partners’ consider you expendable, you will have no recourse; and if it comes to this, no legal protection, either. And I think that, at least on a subconscious level, you both know it; but want to deny it.

        Please show me a single comment of mine in which I’ve ever “sneered” at incels. On the contrary, having undergone three years of involuntary celibacy myself in my early twenties (overlapping with precisely the age that GGG is now), and having improved my life unimaginably since then thanks to taking some surprisingly straightforward steps, my goal is to help them by offering practical, constructive and provably workable suggestions for how to turn their lives around. Just look at the advice I gave GGG in this very thread about his ad, in which he came across as extremely unpleasant, intolerant, controlling and therefore unattractive (and I was by no means the only person who thought this).

        In reality, you two sound like an executive in corporation who’s watching all his competitors outsourced and downsized and reduced to foreclosures, bankruptcies, and poverty; all the while trying to make yourselves believe that it can’t/won’t happen to you, because ‘they would never do that to me’. So all the others thought too.

        This is absolute nonsense. I’ve had relationships fail and I’ve seen plenty more of my friends’ and relatives’ relationships fail. Maybe my marriage might fail a few years or decades down the line – who knows? But that’s hardly a sensible argument for shunning the immensely rich emotional, psychological and sexual rewards that it brings me now. You might as well adopt the attitude “no, I won’t eat this delicious plate of food in front of me because of the small possibility that it might give me a stomach upset” and deny yourself many of life’s other pleasures because of something that probably won’t happen.

        The MRM is filled with men who thought just like you do until repeated contacts with reality disillusioned them. In our culture, women gloat over their hatred for men—don’t be surprised when they act on that hatred and lash out at the first male pig in proximity (which will happen to be you).

        Yet again you’re making the fundamental mistake of assuming that all women essentially share the beliefs of the most extreme radical feminists. None of my female friends “gloat over their hatred for men” – if they did, they wouldn’t be my friends. On the contrary, all the evidence suggests that they strongly appreciate having someone of the opposite sex that they can talk to without any emotional or sexual baggage or worrying about whether I have an underlying motivation.

        As for my own marriage (the one whose end you’re gleefully predicting), just how likely is it that someone that I’ve known for twelve years, who had already been exposed to every feminist idea under the sun long before I met her (in other words, she’s not going to have any kind of sudden awakening) is suddenly going to turn round and decide that I’m a “male pig”? I’d say the answer is somewhere along a scale from “not very” to “not at all”.

        And even if she did, so what? I’m hardly going to say “well, this just proves that all women are eeeeeevil and I’m not going to have anything to do with them any more!” – what’s far more likely is that I’ll spend a year or two enjoying being single again and then get another long-term relationship going.

        In other words, doing what any normal person would do.

      • Once again, thanks for not addressing a single point I brought up and instead propping up more standalone straw man arguments to cling to your delusion that none of this is your fault.

        Are you two guys seriously trying to convince me, or convince yourselves?

        I am certain I cannot convince you of anything. If nothing else maybe someone will come along and look this over and realize that your “movement” is nothing but complaining about something that you do not understand. You know nothing about women outside your odious opinions on them that are not founded in any fact or knowledge of the modern world. You cannot stop progress for all people and that is not a bad thing.

        Don’t either of you two realize that, in these ‘wonderful relationships’ you brag about, that you have ZERO power? You are completely at the mercy of your ‘partners’ are trying to evade that fact by pointing at me and GGGF as the ones with ‘the problem’.

        I assure you that I do not serve my GF like she is the mistress of the house. Does it make me whipped if I am walking to the fridge and ask her if she would like me to grab something to drink? What about when I do that with my friends? Am I whipped if I help her with yard work? Is she whipped if she helps me with dishes or laundry? That is the kind of relationship I have. Give and take.

        All the INCELs whom you sneer at now could easily be yourselves in the future, because the minute your ‘partners’ consider you expendable, you will have no recourse; and if it comes to this, no legal protection, either. And I think that, at least on a subconscious level, you both know it; but want to deny it.

        I’m really not sneering at anyone other than you. I give you crap on here for your awful and incorrect views on women. There were stories of lonely people on here that I felt bad for and tried to give decent advice to. I tried to understand where they were coming from. Same with GGG. You on the other hand have no such stories. You just wax poetic about how much better you are than women and everyone that disagrees with you. If you are so superior then why is it that I am the happy one who happily defends my position and you are the one dodging the issue and being unable to defend your position?

        In reality, you two sound like an executive in corporation who’s watching all his competitors outsourced and downsized and reduced to foreclosures, bankruptcies, and poverty; all the while trying to make yourselves believe that it can’t/won’t happen to you, because ‘they would never do that to me’. So all the others thought too.

        This is the closest you have come to a workable analogy. It is about time. Relationships are a free market. And in this free market Gojira and I are Facebook and Google + and you are Friendster. You are out of date, fell behind the times and got knocked out of the marketplace. That is where anything proper in this analogy fall apart though. The comparison to outsourcing is incorrect as a more apt analogy is that you are offering a part time minimum wage position and your competitors offer a good salary and benefits. Would you rather be with a person who hates you on the inside, uses you for their own benefit and expect you to be thrilled with the arrangement? You state that is what women do to men but I would posit that is the exact way you would treat a woman were they to be interested in you. If you got married had a couple of kids and she got fat I am certain you would see her just as expendable and replaceable as you accuse women of viewing men.

        The MRM is filled with men who thought just like you do until repeated contacts with reality disillusioned them. In our culture, women gloat over their hatred for men—don’t be surprised when they act on that hatred and lash out at the first male pig in proximity (which will happen to be you).

        I’m sure that the MRM is not filled with people like me. I believe in equality between the sexes. That not all women are unified in vilifying all men the world over. That there are tons of lousy men and women in the world and that I want nothing to do with them. I look for women that can be my friend first and my SO second. I don’t pine over some ideal woman I feel should be in my life. I understand some of the awful things people who are not me have had to deal with and empathize with them. Compared to 95% of the worldwide population I have a pretty great life. So do you. Quit whining about everything you don’t have and focus on what you do. You will be happier that way.

      • What I’ve gotten out of these two farragoes is that both of you are in fact DEEPLY worried about the future and are trying to talk yourselves out of your fears. ‘It’s not going to happen to ME, but even if it did…’

        See, it’s already in the back of your minds. The most dangerous illusion of all though was expressed by Gojira but endorsed by D.Gato: “I’d do what any normal person would do” (if the relationship ended).

        Your life will not be normal, and you will not pick yourselves up by your bootstraps. When you’ve had someone with whom you’ve emotionally bonded for years of your life suddenly betray you; throw you into the maw of the legal system without mercy; take most your property and children if you have them, force you to pay for her and the scumbag she’s shacked up with—you won’t feel very normal. Or,if she’s feeling especially spiteful you might get restraining orders or thrown in jail too.

        Before getting accused of ‘whining’ again; fortunately, nothing that extreme happened to me personally, although it has happened to guys I know. So far from picking up and being normal again, things like nervous breakdowns,(e.g., my uncle); substance abuse,(e.g. two of my clients); depression( I’ve gotten it); and suicide (a friend’s brother) follow.

        Deny it all you want to; but when one gender is treated as a second-class subhuman tier of society, this is what is going to happen. And it can happen to you too.

  16. Ahh! This is the closest you have come to answering a question. I am proud of you! I am not even being an ass there. I honestly thought you would never address anything. You proved me wrong sir and hats are off!

    Eric:
    “What I’ve gotten out of these two farragoes is that both of you are in fact DEEPLY worried about the future and are trying to talk yourselves out of your fears. ‘It’s not going to happen to ME, but even if it did…’”

    Well even if it did I’m sure I would dust myself off and be ok. I don’t think that it will but things happen, I get that. I would not all of the sudden hit 6 months without a relationship or sex and start freaking out. I would do the same thing I did last time. Continue to grow as a person (not to attract a woman but because I actually like it!) and look for a good relationship. Not be ok with the first girl that likes me but actually seek someone I really like. If it happens again ill continue. Ill keep trying till the day I die or just stop caring. That is fine with me because I don’t hate my life and don’t blame other people for it like you do. I also do not describe my entire world based on my relationship status! Other people on here have real problems. You sir do not. If anything you are just further hurting the people on here actually suffering with your views.

    Eric:
    “See, it’s already in the back of your minds. The most dangerous illusion of all though was expressed by Gojira but endorsed by D.Gato: “I’d do what any normal person would do” (if the relationship ended).”

    Pretty far from my head at least. I have had plenty of relationships end. Some really hurt and took some time to get over but I got over all of them. Ones where I knew what was wrong was my fault and ones where it was her fault. I’m mature enough to admit when I am wrong and smart enough to know when I am right. It did not make any of those relationships or the women in them, or me, bad or flawed or evil.

    Eric:
    “Your life will not be normal, and you will not pick yourselves up by your bootstraps. When you’ve had someone with whom you’ve emotionally bonded for years of your life suddenly betray you; throw you into the maw of the legal system without mercy; take most your property and children if you have them, force you to pay for her and the scumbag she’s shacked up with—you won’t feel very normal. Or,if she’s feeling especially spiteful you might get restraining orders or thrown in jail too.

    Before getting accused of ‘whining’ again; fortunately, nothing that extreme happened to me personally, although it has happened to guys I know. So far from picking up and being normal again, things like nervous breakdowns,(e.g., my uncle); substance abuse,(e.g. two of my clients); depression( I’ve gotten it); and suicide (a friend’s brother) follow.”

    I feel you are espousing a very specific scenario here that likely is not the case for a majority of people today. You like to point out how exceptions don’t prove rules and I present you (in your previous statement) a perfect example. Yes this kind of thing happens to some men. Yes in some cases they are amazing dads that the kids love and prefer but the court gives them to the mom anyway (happened in my family). But that is the vast minority of situations I know. In all of the ones I know are similar to that they are the folks with the least economic opportunities where that added cost, whether the relationship worked out or not, they were going to be stressed and have problems anyway. Economic freedom grants a release to us all. In many of those cases you cited if the female made an equal wage and there was less stress on the house would the relationship have kept going? At the very least would less alimony be paid out in the event that women could work and make equivalent income? I would think that this would assist people in moving on. I made another comment on here about everyone having a right to a decent job. I feel that sort of program would solve this issue in the same manner that GGG believes his problem can help Incels.

    As for the afflictions affecting your family I understand their pain and hope the best for them going forward.

    Eric:
    “Deny it all you want to; but when one gender is treated as a second-class subhuman tier of society, this is what is going to happen. And it can happen to you too.”

    I know for a fact that I am not any where close to a second class citizen let alone subhuman. White Male USA. Those three words basically gave me a leg up on nearly every other person born the same day as I. I do well and were I to have been born elsewhere I would likely be less successful. If given the choice I would choose this life again. I am really lucky and so are you. That you continue to throw away that fortune for this nonsense is truly shocking. I bet there are 4 billion people that would switch places with you right now. Just because a few angry or bitter women get upset with your does not make you “subhuman”. In fact if you act like this outside of this board I totally get why they act that way towards you. I am acting that way towards you now.

    As for a gender getting treated like second class citizens or subhuman isn’t that the exact accusation you have towards women? I have seen many times on this site where people have proposed that ” girls aren’t people”. Isn’t that statement evidence enough that there is a problem here? What about the way women have been treated world wide (and are still treated today) where they are beaten, used, manipulated and controlled. How about the prevalence of it throughout history? It was that way for several thousand years until we became a modern society. WE are not even all the way equal yet. If anyone has that argument historically it would be women.

  17. What I’ve gotten out of these two farragoes is that both of you are in fact DEEPLY worried about the future and are trying to talk yourselves out of your fears. ‘It’s not going to happen to ME, but even if it did…’

    Eric, you’re hilarious. Truly laugh-out-loud hilarious. Seriously, have you considered a career in stand-up? Quite aside from anything else you’ll be beating women off with the proverbial stick.

    I’m not trying to “talk myself out of my fears” because I don’t have any fears. You’re the one who keeps bringing up the prospect of my marriage ending after my wife gets a sudden revelation from on high that “all men are pigs” (or some such absurd cliché), so I’m going along with it as a thought experiment for the sake of conversation. You may have noticed that Don Gato and I generally make a point of responding to everything you say – we don’t cherry-pick easy stuff and ignore the rest.

    See, it’s already in the back of your minds. The most dangerous illusion of all though was expressed by Gojira but endorsed by D.Gato: “I’d do what any normal person would do” (if the relationship ended).

    It’s not “at the back of my mind”, it’s at the front of my mind, purely for the purposes of this thought experiment. But as soon as I press “reply”, it will evaporate altogether, because it’s simply not an issue or prospect that’s of any concern to me.

    Your life will not be normal, and you will not pick yourselves up by your bootstraps. When you’ve had someone with whom you’ve emotionally bonded for years of your life suddenly betray you; throw you into the maw of the legal system without mercy; take most your property and children if you have them, force you to pay for her and the scumbag she’s shacked up with—you won’t feel very normal. Or,if she’s feeling especially spiteful you might get restraining orders or thrown in jail too.

    It’s not gonna happen. I’m really sorry to disappoint you, but I know my wife one hell of a lot better than you do, and she has no motivation whatever for “shacking up with a scumbag”. I also can’t see why these imaginary scumbags would want to get involved with a woman approaching fifty with two kids approaching their teens – what would be in it for them? Or indeed her?

    In fact, I don’t have to imagine how my wife would react to a relationship break-up, because she’s already had one divorce – and far from throwing her ex-husband “into the maw of the legal system without mercy”, she acknowledged that her primary motivation for ending the marriage was that she was frustrated by his lack of drive and ambition, and because she felt guilty about being the instigator of the break-up she treated him with nothing but the utmost respect. She even let him keep the house that they previously jointly owned, because she just wanted out of the marriage without any baggage. In fact, even when he contacted us a few years ago to say that she was still on the mortgage documents because he’d forgotten to submit the form taking her off, she didn’t say “OK, that means that I still own half your house that’s worth much more than it was fifteen years ago – hand it over, sucker”, although there was nothing to stop her legally.

    That’s because she’s a decent human being, not some imaginary radical feminist harridan. Which is why I married her in the first place.

    Before getting accused of ‘whining’ again; fortunately, nothing that extreme happened to me personally, although it has happened to guys I know. So far from picking up and being normal again, things like nervous breakdowns,(e.g., my uncle); substance abuse,(e.g. two of my clients); depression( I’ve gotten it); and suicide (a friend’s brother) follow.

    I’ve known plenty of people who’ve seen relationships collapse with varying degrees of fall-out. My wife’s best friend still lights a candle for her ex-husband, even though he cheated on her, ended their marriage and ended up marrying someone else. (To no-one’s surprise but hers, regrettably – we all saw this coming a mile off). Conversely, a cousin’s marriage has ended entirely amicably – they both admitted that they were too young when they got spliced, and one day they woke up and realized that they had very little in common any more. You can’t generalize about this sort of thing.

    Deny it all you want to; but when one gender is treated as a second-class subhuman tier of society, this is what is going to happen. And it can happen to you too.

    In the wildly unlikely event of my marriage ending, it won’t be because one of us regards one gender as “a second-class subhuman tier of society”. Because it’s a stupid opinion that neither of us shares – and ours is the only opinion that’s relevant when it comes to our own relationship.

    In any case, given that last week a woman was deluged with repeated rape threats on Twitter merely for having the temerity to call for a female role model (just one, so she’d still be surrounded by men) to be placed on new British banknote designs, you’re going to have to work one hell of a lot harder to convince me that men are as downtrodden and helpless as you’re making out. I’ve never been threatened with rape merely for having the temerity to express an opinion, and I doubt very much that you have either.

      • Still though. Liked the post and think you and I would have been a good debate team back in the day. We hit entirely different points! Been a pleasure working with you.

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