Today I would like to write about three very different victims of involuntary celibacy. While their age, circumstances and ways of dealing with incel all differed the ending was the same – suicide.
I got an idea for this post from the Wikipedia article on Involuntary celibacy where two of them are mentioned so parts of my posts will be copypasted.
1. Christine Chubbuck (August 24, 1944 – July 15, 1974), an American television news reporter who committed suicide during a live television broadcast.
Her focus on her lack of relationships is generally considered to be the driving force for her depression; her mother later summarized “her suicide was simply because her personal life was not enough.” She lamented to co-workers her 30th birthday was approaching and she was still a virgin who had never been on more than two dates with a man. Her brother Greg later recalled several times she had gone out with a man, before moving to Sarasota, but agreed she had trouble connecting socially in the beach resort town. He believed her constant self-deprecation for being “dateless” contributed to her ongoing depression.
Apparently, she had an unrequited crush on co-worker George Peter Ryan. She baked him a cake for his birthday and sought his romantic attention, only to find out he was already involved with sports reporter Andrea Kirby. Kirby had been the co-worker closest to Chubbuck, but she was offered a new job in Baltimore, which had further depressed Chubbuck.
Chubbuck’s lack of a romantic partner was considered a tangent of her desperate need to have close friends, though co-workers said she tended to be brusque and defensive whenever they made friendly gestures toward her. She was self-deprecating, criticizing herself constantly and rejecting any compliments she was given.
On the morning of July 15, 1974, Chubbuck confused co-workers by claiming she had to read a newscast to open her program, Suncoast Digest, something she had never done before. That morning’s talk show guest waited across the studio while she sat at the news anchor’s desk.During the first eight minutes of her program, Chubbuck covered three national news stories and then a local restaurant shooting from the previous day. The restaurant was the Beef and Bottle Restaurant at the Sarasota-Bradenton Airport on U.S. 41. The film reel of the restaurant shooting had jammed and would not run, so Chubbuck shrugged it off and said on-camera, “In keeping with Channel 40’s policy of bringing you the latest in blood and guts, and in living color, you are going to see another first—attempted suicide.” She drew the revolver and shot herself behind her right ear. Chubbuck fell forward violently and the technical director faded rapidly to black.Camera operator Jean Reed later recalled she thought it had been an elaborate prank and did not realize Chubbuck had actually shot herself until she saw Chubbuck’s twitching body.
Comment: this is the first case I’ve known in which incel was a driving force behind suicide. What makes it odd is that a woman was involved, while many men, incel or not, will tell you that it is impossible for a woman to be incel. On the other hand, there is no way to know all the facts about her personality, emotional condition and or exact circumstances in bygone pre-feminist era. It’s hard to imagine that a woman who the co-workers said tended to be brusque and defensive whenever they made friendly gestures toward her, as well as self-deprecating, criticizing herself constantly and rejecting any compliments she was given, would be incel today. Her facial looks seem normal, probably slightly above average though there is something off-putting about her sad eyes and hollow cheeks. Still, I am utterly convinced that her looks were not a part of the problem.However, it is virtually certain that incel was the main cause behind suicide and that dealing with it would very likely save her life.
2. George Sodini (September 30, 1960 – August 4, 2009), a systems analyst at the law firm of K&L Gates.
On a website registered in his name, Sodini chronicled over a nine-month period his rejections by women and his severe sexual frustration. “Who knows why? I am not ugly or too weird. No sex since July 1990 either (I was 29),” he writes. “Last time I slept all night with a girlfriend it was 1982. Girls and women don’t even give me a second look ANYWHERE.” About his problems with women, he wrote: “Women just don’t like me. There are 30 million desirable women in the US (my estimate) and I cannot find one.” He also wrote about contemplating carrying out a shooting, which he referred to as the “exit plan”, while also revealing that he “chickened out” of carrying out such a shooting earlier in the year. The website states that he was “never married” and concludes “Death Lives!” Sodini states, “Probably 99% of the people who know me well don’t even think I was this crazy.” Sodini is reported to have left a note along inside the gym bag stating his hatred for women. In 2008, Sodini posted online videos, in which he discusses his emotions, along with a tour of his home, the latter which was a homework assignment from “a self-help seminar [he] had attended on how to date women”. Nearly a week after the murders, it was revealed that Sodini had brought an inert grenade on a Port Authority bus on July 28, 2009. After a passenger sitting next to him notified police, he was questioned about the incident but no charges were filed.
The 2009 Collier Township shooting, also referred to as the 2009 Bridgeville LA Fitness shooting, was a murder-suicide that took place on August 4, 2009 in an LA Fitness health club in Collier Township, a suburb of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The attack resulted in four deaths, including that of the perpetrator who took his own life. Nine other people were injured. The fitness center is approximately 10 miles (16 km) south of Pittsburgh, in The Great Southern Shopping Center, a strip mall located in the Kirwan Heights section of Collier Twp.
The shooting occurred at a women’s aerobics class at the LA Fitness center in The Great Southern Shopping Center of Collier Township at approximately 8:15 p.m. EDT. The shooter entered the class, placed a duffel bag on the ground, turned off the lights, took out at least two handguns and began firing, police said. According to police, the gunman may have fired 52 shots before committing suicide. The handguns used by the perpetrator reportedly were two 9mm semiautomatics, a .32-caliber semiautomatic and a .45-caliber revolver.
Three women and the gunman died, and about nine other people were injured. The county Medical Examiner’s office identified the three women who died as Heidi Overmier, 46, of Collier; Elizabeth Gannon, 49, of Green Tree, Pennsylvania; and Jody Billingsley, 38, of Mt. Lebanon, Pennsylvania.
Comment: Many people would find calling George Sodini a victim problematic. However, I don’t see how the fact that he’s left innocent victims himself makes him less of a victim of a horrific condition. The reason why I feel less sympathy for Sodini than the remaining two victims isn’t because he killed women. Any one of these women (as, for that matter, virtually all men) didn’t give a damn about his plight and while they didn’t contribute to it they would certainly do nothing to alleviate it. (I will post about my views on morality and the term “justify” in another post) . Even if it weren’t so, incel might have messed with his brain enough for him to be completely unable to control himself. No medication of doctors could have helped and that idea is simply a liberal, feminazi folly. His problem was a situational one.
The problem with Sodini is his obsession with getting a 20 year-old woman, something he posted about. It’s unclear if he approached 20 year-old women exclusively or just how much of his effort was directed at them. However, there is simply no justification for that kind of unrealistic expectation. If he was influenced by the media he was stupid. If he got it into his head as a fixation he was mentally disturbed beyond incel.
That being said, I still think he might have been helped by my program but he would have to adjust his expectations a lot. Which reminds me of a seriously funny argument presented by a feminist on David Futrelle’s blog- that he would be violent towards a woman he would meet through the program. This is utter nonsense, impossible to prove and very unlikely. One of the arguments in support of that idiotic claim was that Eivind Berge makes violent rhetoric even though he has a girlfriend. Of course, completely leaving out the fact that all of his violent rhetoric, including the sentence about almost killing a cop in a public park were made before June 2011, which means before he stared dating Emma. I don’t consider mentioning a female prosecutor in the same sentence as Breivik as any kind of a threat- he clearly meant that 77 bodies weren’t enough for that person to stop her misuse of justice.
Women he killed were victims of society’s negligence about incel. Unless you believe in fairy tales on good and evil so was George Sodini.
3. person x
This person was a member of a forum I post on. He wasn’t a very frequent poster and mostly went unnoticed until his friend logged in months after his last appearance and told us this story
early this year, shortly after his birthday he took his life.
it has been tough for us, his family and friends. in his notes to me he mentioned this site and provided the passwords.
usually he was a very happy person. or so i thought. after his last birthday, he started to become angry. he would always talk about being alone forever and how it’s better to just stop living. i said there are many people who truly love you but he would still stay angry. i tried to lift his spirits and asked if he wanted to go to a club or bar but he did’nt want to go. in his note he said he would just walk down the streets to look at the women and imagine what it felt like to be with them.
i did’nt know he was a virgin. i knew he did’nt have a girl but now i’m understanding the reason. i read his post about the girl at his work. i did’n’t know that was the reason he shaved his head. i remember that day. i asked him what happened but he said it was charity. we joked about him losing a bet.
i wish so much he talked about this to me. i feel so bad for all the times i would kiss my girl in front of him. we tried to set him up but he always refused and said the girls were ugly and he wanted a pretty girl. so we gave up. he was never shy to talk to my girl so we did’nt know he had problems. he would say if i ever left her or treated her bad that he would be there for her. she liked hearing that. she misses him too. she would always tell me how nice and sweet he is and i should be more like that.
his mother asked me to say the he had a name. he did’nt like that he called himself person x…
Comment: fate of this previously completely unknown person provoked sincere and widespread sadness. However, while no such other case appeared on the forum more than one suicide attempt was made and almost every poster thought about suicide at some point. In fact, there is a number of known members who bent on doing it if their situation doesn’t get better within the next few years. Of course, most of them are on therapy and it didn’t do anything for them.
To conclude, I believe that many brainwashed liberals will say that all of these people could have been helped with therapy. Nothing is further from the truth. What they don’t see is that their reactions were normal within the given situation. Medicating them enough to turn them into zombies unconcerned with their incel problem would just be another way to kill them. And there was nothing that the therapist could have made to make them unnatural, no matter how convenientit would be for society to have its problem and the relating duties removed.