A poll on the forums/site and looking for ideas on our name

Since I have gotten positive reactions to my last post, I would be interested in what the people reading this blog regularly or just visiting think about me and some people starting a forum for incels and male sexualists starting a sane online community, without the horrifyingly braindead nonsense that permeates current incel communities (and which was, as explained in the previous post, existent from at least 2014 but took over the incel term since August 2016 for reasons I  describe in that thread).

Some basic outline of our community would be

  • A gathering place  for sane incels/love-shy people and male sexualists
  • An anti-feminist, reactionary slant
  • Our future name is still unclear at this point – I honestly can’t think of something that would fit in just one word. If we don’t find that word I’ll probably call it “incelslsandmalesexualists” or something like that
  • The forum would be MAP friendly but if we were to take a name that would mention incels and male sexualists I’d be opposed to adding the “map” thing, for several reasons. Some of them include a) forum immediately being connected to pedophilia b) the problems of establishing any kind of policy regarding MAP portions of the forum – some of us don’t like the high ground many non-offending MAPs come from but too loose of a policy might make the site a target of constant surveillance from various parties c) many MAPs are actually very socially liberal and would not agree with what men like me stand for.
  • similar moderation to my own comments policy, with zero tolerance to  current insanity like “cope”, -cel behind every word, “Stacies”, “femoids” and every other disgusting slang they use
  • hosted by a free speech host

In any case, all of this is still in very early development and don’t expect anything for some more months. We can’t just open any free forum and start posting, as we would get shut down soon. I described this community as the expression of our Freudian ID, while Reddit forces a person to act as if they’re their own Superego.

Meanwhile, this is a tiny subreddit I opened recently. I haven’t posted any rules yet but it is basically moderated as r/incels was in July 2016. https://www.reddit.com/r/incelconversations/

Dissecting the disaster – how the term incel got taken over by the worst people and what to do about it

(Note – I am not talking about incel “community”. There is no monolithic incel community and thus really no incel community at all, much like feminism isn’t a monolithic community and thus nobody really uses the term feminist community – another similarity would be differences in even defining feminism between various feminist groups. Also, obsessing with labels sucks). 

Incels have basically entered the mainstream during the previous month.  Sadly, they have done so in a worst possible way (and in a way that is actually pretty much unrelated to Alek Missanian attack) and this post will try to extrapolate why.

Somewhere in the chaos of these events a very important thing remained hidden – that I am pretty much responsible for the disaster that occurred.

In which way am I responsible?

I’ll start by saying in which way I am not. No, this insanity didn’t start because of my blog. Due to me trying to make something out my life and trying to escape incel I was actually posting less, not more. My traffic stats were never as high as they were in 2013 or 2014, before I even changed the nickname to caamib and started posting from a reactionary, anti-seduction point of view. And, naturally, with the advancing idiocracy my posts didn’t get all that much interest. They were complex, extremely anti-feminist and anti-modernist in nature, and simply weren’t clickbait for an average moron anymore. To say that my blog started the current insanity around incels would be simply wrong.

So what did? Well, in order to understand that we must go back some years. Two original incel (a term invented by a Canadian woman in 1997) communities were Love-shy.com, a site that takes its name from an unrecognized disorder called love-shyness that American psychologist Brian G. Gilmartin wrote about in his 1987 book Shyness & Love: Causes, Consequences, and Treatments, and the now defunct Incel Support.

Love-shy.com had originally been a site for men who had the sort of romantic phobia I described on this blog as early as 2013.  But during its first years the site was mostly a wilderness, and years would pass without posts. What really got the site running was appereance of first actual incels – men who weren’t phobic about romantically approaching women but still couldn’t have found girlfriends or unpaid sex. Today the site still exists but it had sunk into irrelevancy. Nobody even mentioned the site during these recent events. It is shut down to public view and requires registration to even see the forums. Yet, this site was once known and hated. There was a time when leftists did hate that site, despite all of its offenses being trivial to what is currently produced by some calling themselves incels. A liberal pseudowiki, RationalWiki, even made an article about it some years ago https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Love-shy.com. Yet, Love-shy.com is currently dead as a door nail.

Now, I know most of my readers will ask themselves what the hell Incel Support ever was. Well, that site was somewhat like… Imagine all the current leftist hacks that do attack the term incel posting in a forum and calling themselves incel. It was everything you’d never imagine it to be, an extremely politically correct place where you got banned if you said it is more likely for men to be incel than women and where you got attacked for any “sexist” remarks, led by a several crazy women. I remember a thread on Incel Support on the 2009 George Sodini shooting, which was actually a first recently documented case of incel shootings. All of them agreed that incel was not his primary problem (what’s over 20 years without a girlfriend and sex?) and such bullshit, it was that sort of a place. The place was hilarious and am sad that it had disappeared since 2013 for it would have been a riot to see how it would have dealt with what happened now. By the way, it is interesting to know that there were shaming articles on George Sodini from 2009 on feminist sites – this is just one example. These things have been around for a long time, in a slightly tamer form.

That was mostly all of it regarding incel forums. The next incel forum  to appear was the now dead PUAHate, that deleted when its poster Elliot Rodger murdered six people in his well known 2014 massacre. The community soon continued under a different name, calling itself Sluthate. A fork of Sluthate was another forum called Lookism. I won’t be linking to either of these as I despise them, but I would recommend anybody interested in what is going on to see what these forums are still about, though mostly ghost towns. All the insane bullshit of putting -cel behind every word, Chads, Stacies etc is already there and was present in around 2014 and 2015, but nobody cared about it in this way.

What is it that made the term so popular after 2016 and why did I put the word disaster in my post?

That is the most important part of this post. It is exclusively my responsibility that things turned out this way.

In early 2016 not much was going on with any of the incel posters . Elliot Rodger was already mostly forgotten, their websites didn’t get many views, everything was stagnating. But then, in a remarkable series of events and through Reddit censorship combined gross incompetence and negligence of some people it took little over 2 years for this term to suddenly be equated with a group of disgusting, low IQ people who, ironically, didn’t use this term much if at all before.

But let us go back to where this latest story starts.

In around January 2016, I’ve encountered a tweet by one of my followers promoting a subreddit called r/Truecels. I checked the subreddit out and saw that its very sparsely populated, and noticed certain comments I felt shouldn’t be there. I wanted to help the person running it, a user called https://www.reddit.com/user/Bargh9 to run the platform and ban any obvious filth. I didn’t even plan on opening any threads or anything like that but I knew that his site would see an occasional idiot so I wanted to delete that. I didn’t even expect he’d accept what I asked him to, but he did and I became a moderated. After this, I promoted his tiny subreddit which had less than 100 subscribers with a post on my blog as well.

This was no easy situation even the first days, believe me. Bargh9 had a naive view of the free speech and made really no comments policy at all, explicitly saying his subreddit was “free speech”. You could have come to that sub, insulted and lied all you wanted to and you felt there was nothing one could have done against you. Without changing the rules of the subreddit, I put a stop to that, banning all the morons who couldn’t argue and used unfair tactics. I did so without caring what Bargh9 will do, as I simply considered that if he does demote me fuck him and his subreddit. Even during the first month or so, when the place was really empty, I had 3-4 morons I banned tell me that I am breaking the rules of the subreddit I am modding. And they were right at the time, technically !  I simply told them that I don’t care and that I will not unban their filth. They didn’t mind to a degree that they would complain to Bagrh9 or he simply didn’t care if they did so I, amazingly, managed to start basically running a good incel subredddit on my own.

Due to my moderation prowess, since I am an old school person who knows what is fair and what isn’t, the sub never became a cesspool it was meant to be and actually started attracting subscribers. And, believe me, this would not have happened without my moderation. The subreddit was destined to sink into obscurity, yet I prevented this. I installed a strict set of rules I only had in my head for a while, including banning all talk of incel just being about sex. It worked wonders for the quality of the community. You made a post on “not getting laid”? Poof, you were gone. You made an insulting, vapid post? Poof, you were gone. I went from banning from what was once maybe 2-3 people a month in February or March to banning up to 20-30 a day in May or June and the sub still grew extremely rapidly. I was cutting off the unhealthy tissue

But things got even better. I started posting my own threads there, trying to promote what actually causes incel and what are actual solutions. I started attracting the right kind of people – reactionaries, staunch anti-feminists, right wingers, or just regular people who wanted to converse on these subjects without breaking the rules. The site accepted noncel members and I can actually hardly remember anybody using a word “normie”. Those things just didn’t happen at the time, so I didn’t even have to moderate it. People were supportive of each other and applauded if somebody found success, even if it meant a one night stand. Men with girlfriends were congratulated and some of the best posters were in relationships or married. A woman who I had some of the most intellectually stimulating conversations with was a married mother of two in her mid 20s. It was simply amazing.

Now, of course, it was not all roses. During that time I had a severe break-down due to an event that took place in May 2016, when I met a woman who I thought would be an ideal girlfriend only for it to turn up she already has a boyfriend. That girl was the swan song of my beliefs that I could find a good girlfriend under normal conditions in the femisphere. And mind you, that was after I forgot about the consent nonsense with modern Western women. Little over a year later, in 2017, I treated the girl who actually wanted me at the time and became my girlfriend completely differently, making her controlled by others. The May 2016 events have made me pretty much bed ridden for an entire second half of May and the filth just piled on. Whenever I was too weak too moderate severe rule breaking would occur and there was no way to rely on anybody else. At one moment I even gave up on modding it. Some hours later I saw what was one of the worst breaking of site-wide rules I had ever seen on Reddit. At that moment I became so angry that I asked Bargh to be returned to Reddit via a specific account that would moderate content, and was granted that. Disgusting behavior of many of those who arrived on the sub is what motivated me to hold the reins even more.  One other problem was that I was not the first mod and Bargh would occasionally put some lookist idiocy as a pinned post or write something insane I couldn’t remove but that was a small price to pay for really getting to moderate anybody else and us achieving popularity.

Other set of problems mostly related to what we were talking about – while none of us openly encouraged rape, me and several members believed it to be something worthless modern Western women deserve. Another problem was “pedophilia”. Of course, there was no actual pedophilia but there were posts that could have amounted to sexualization of minors. Yet I didn’t remove them at the time. Both of these problems would eventually destroy the project later.

But by early June some time passed and my mental state improved so I devoted even more energy to moderating it. And, all I can say once again is, this was often a hellish experience. The amount of stupidity, insanity and often just pure evil cruelty I’d see every day read before banning somebody was just frightening.  There was no way to rely on anybody else despite there being other mods aside from me – if I didn’t appear online for 4-5 days the sub was basically a swamp when I came back. I mean to a point that there were posters opening threads about rules being broken everywhere. It would take hours to clean all the dirt that was left. It was exhausting even physically, let alone mentally.

But still, the community got better and better. When I played a 17 year-old on the now sadly removed Tinder version for minors, I got support for this. When I slept with a 16 year-old girl I met that way (some slut who already fucked many boys her age) I was congratulated. Sure, here and there I’d see a disturbing post like “Go away” but I’d just delete it and ban the moron. I had no idea what was to occur in just 2 short years.

Sadly, our activity attracted the attention of some Reddit scum that became bent on taking us down, but even in this case the differences between the situation than and now are quite obvious. People who hated me in June 2016 were all SJWs, posting on SJW subs. All of them were misandrist scum who got off on hating conservatives, right wingers and similar people. Those were the kind of people who hated us then. But, to skip to today for a second, people mocking what they currently see as incels aren’t all like that – there are many people who aren’t even that crazy and see the insanity that some incel communities are posting.

There were many waning signs of what would eventually happen. The first disturbing behavior by Reddit administration was the removal of my thread on May 2016 girl. They simply deleted the thread because one Reddit user, a notoriously insane SJW, claimed it is some kind of a “manifesto”. It was not a manifesto at all but described what happened with her, nor did it contain any violence or threats. Yet this insane person kept insisting that it is some kind of a “manifesto”, to my utter astonishment. The thread was eventually deleted for no reason at all. Worse was to come. In early July 2016  these people finally managed to quarantine r/Trucels. and Bargh9 and some other posters were permanently banned. Amazingly enough, this is what allowed me to move to a certain sub somebody had created for me in August 2013. It had the now ominous name of r/incels. I was suddenly a first mod and didn’t even need to use any other accounts for moderation (which alleviated mental and physical exhaustion I’d feel by constantly having to switch accounts). The most ominous warning sign is that I was suspended myself for about a week for “sexualization of minors”. Yet, when my suspension ended I was suddenly the undisputed king.

(IMPORTANT – And this was a unique moment in many ways. Suddenly I was,  after having already gotten used to being pretty obscure in the last 2 years before that,  running a sub of more than a thousand subscribers. Now I had almost 5 months of attention behind me. I had attracted a core of 15-20 extreme anti-feminists and reactionaries. We were everything most current incel communities were not. Maybe a half of the core members weren’t even incel and we looked more like some fascist sub at times. At one point some idiot I kept around because he didn’t break the rules at the time started laughing, asking what is this sub. We simply refused to look pathetic. and by pathetic I don’t mean that most of us weren’t incel at the time – I certainly considered myself that since I couldn’t find a girlfriend at the time and that 16 year-old girl turned out to be a one time thing. I mean that none of us called ourselves “genetic waste” or similar nonsense. But if you were incel we respected you and protected you. We would get female visitors and they were treated depending on what they wrote, not whether or not they were female.  We started opening threads on current political events, like the attempted coup in Turkey. Our subreddit was trailing high on Google search engine.

All of this was achieved through my hard work of creating a community in which no bad behavior was tolerated. Hard work that had to be repeated almost all over again when we went to r/Incels since some of the scum I already banned on Truecels went back and started posting again. And during all of this I once again had no help. I put some of the most active members as mods but didn’t know how good they were. At least one turned out to be a disaster immediately, banning a polite woman who just disagreed with him twice, to which I had to unban her twice. Yet I kept him around. The thing is, from around July 15  the worst offenders were banned again, my moderation policies became already somewhat known and things have gotten a but more peaceful. Meanwhile, I had gotten a lot of attention, with a smaller amount of it negative. Most were some great and insightful posts. I admit that at that moment I got a bit dizzy with all this and couldn’t even think straight. I recently watched violentacrez interview on CNN and I started experiencing something similar – Reddit had become my drug. And in a positive way. The moment I started enjoying the attention I got and the moderation woes lessened I was feeling more relaxed and let my guard down, finally enjoying Reddit. What made this even more accentuated was that at the time I met an extremely attractive girl (different one from the May one, obviously) and believed something might happen with her. It didn’t, but I was to find that out only somewhat later and at the time it raised my spirits even more. Sure, there were problems even then. I did spend more time in front of a computer now, but I also pursued some things in real life and I’d miss entire huge threads with 200 or more posts. I didn’t sort through every post, and bad people were gathering on the edges while I couldn’t notice all of them. As I have already said, I have gotten no help at all from anybody ! Still, even with these blips I knew I was doing a good job. I did notice some first appearances of terms like “normie”  and “Chad”, but didn’t moderate against it, thinking it’s just a meme by a few isolated individuals. I simply had no idea what the subreddit is going to turn into. 

And mind you, and this is what is so tragic about how things turned out, ideas myself and fschmidt promoted were held by a small minority of what were thousands of subscribers. Most people were complete modernist scum that couldn’t even envision anything like a society in which seduction doesn’t work, women can’t vote or dating is controlled by religious groups or parents. They were like dumb fish in the sea that don’t know anything else. We made these things topics and kept lookism nonsense out. Tragically, it will soon be revealed just how little did most of the community think about our ideas but at that time we attracted the right kind of people and set up topics that actually mattered.  And I remind you again, I achieved all of this basically myself – through banning likely over a 1,000 people since February and sometimes even 40-50 people a day when the subreddit got more visitors. It was a magical time without comparison to anything I did before online. The subreddit was something you would imagine if DarkEnglightenment subreddits suddenly became a) much more active b) focused on causes and solution of incel).


(Missing the crossroads – Had I known what I know now around 10 July 2016 was the time to stop and rethink my situation. Not necessarily to cease posting  but to make serious arrangements to keep my account and the subreddit the best way I can. All talk on rape and “minor sexualization” should have stopped then and there, by both me and the core posters I gathered. And in a sense that would have also defanged what made the subreddit so great, but there was no real choice. I had to keep what I (not “we”, there was no we in this story) had achieved. I had to put absolutely loyal people as moderators, people who would nuke the subreddit had I told them. Everything past 10 July 2016 was just really a struggle for survival. Who knows what I would have done with my current knowledge? Started my own site, tried to get us on Voat immediately? Any of these options would  have given us more free speech but involve losing any “fresh blood” in terms of new interested Redditors. fschmidt tried to warn me that everything might go down in flames easily but I couldn’t understand the gravity of his warnings or my situation at the time. What I was hooked up on was the attention, while having no idea how the often cutthroat world of reddit really works – that it banned people for much less (as in this case of an anti-SJW Frankenmine https://archive.is/5zS2q) and that ultimately my days were numbered whatever I did.  And mind you, I am not sorry I posted on rape and sexualized “minors” because I believe this is wrong. It isn’t, but I had no choice after investing so much time and effort in that stupid site already. Had I known that the alternative would be what we’re seeing while I’m writing this in June 2018 (basically, the entire term being overtaken by insane people ! ), no price would have been too high to keep the account and the subreddit.)

Instead I just continued doing what I had been doing before. By around July 22 there were already several very disturbed individuals on Reddit watching my every step and I eventually gave them enough material to be finally permanently suspended for “sexualization of minors”. I did create two other accounts after that, but was by this time closely watched and soon banned. What is also tragic is that during that time I actually did two very important things with one of the alternative accounts, by placing a female moderator and opening a subreddit for love-shy people. However, all of that was not something Reddit administration cared about anymore. I was banned from all of my accounts and on the run.

Then I’ve taken a long break from all of that in August 2016. There wasn’t much I could have done anymore. The moderator that had put my two banned alternative accounts on moderator list told me to reappear in 2-3 weeks but I didn’t. I needed a break. I had no clear vision of what will happen to the subreddit. I knew that it will no longer be moderated as well but I must admit that I didn’t expect the catastrophe that was to occur. I knew that it would be too difficult for me to see even one post I knew had to be removed after all the hard work I have invested.

After that I have blundered in various ways. I tried to start a Voat incel community, but remember that moderator I put, who I said was a disaster? I said he was a bad mod and he didn’t like it, so he simply removed my thread. A simple thread promoting a Voat community. That was how he thanked me. There was probably no way to have a community there anyway, since Voat is a small, alt-right community based around politics but in any case I couldn’t really find the time.  Next I heard that the amazing female moderator who kept the community sane by sometimes being there for 10 or more hours a day was doxxed and driven away.

Later on I tried promoting a new subreddit of my own (this was around Nov 2016).  This was when I first saw just how much it changed. I was suddenly called a cuck and a normie for some rule (though my rules were much stricter than those on r/Incels) or just called a cuck for no reason. During that stay I saw posts on myself from people I kept around making incredibly vile accusations about me. One was a Russian man who was an asshole towards me as early as 2013 and who I considered banning the moment he started posting on Truecels, but his posts were usually of high quality so I kept him around. The other one was a woman who now wrote incredibly vile things about me, accusing me of having had the views I acquired in 2014  since I was born because reasons. That idiot I mentioned, the who laughed and asked what kind of a subreddit this was? Well he was now saying he believes I somehow made up all the stories on my life on this blog. It was truly both frightening and heartbreaking. Did I deserve this, I wondered? It was so rotten and despicable my eyes teared up.

Next is history. r/incels, led by incompetent moderators including the Russian idiot, sunk into more of a cesspool month after month. All the rifraff from Sluthate and Lookism now moved there, with absolutely nothing to stop them. All the bullshit you could have seen on their forums, where they barely used the term incel, was now on that sub. I felt nauseated by all of this. It was like seeing your home broken into and used by a bunch of drug addicts, with puke on the floor, all while you can no longer get in. I have tried to contact the person who initially founded the sub but their account had long since gone inactive. What was much more disturbing is that the first moderator, who could have helped me, simply ignored my requests despite being a part of fschmidt’s religious group. One of the moderators was https://www.reddit.com/user/azavii , who turned out to be the greatest disappointment. He simply refused to reinstate me and said that it would be now  senseless anyway, given that the community had changed. Of course, this was likely correct but who allowed this to occur?

I visited again in July 2017, posting under a completely unrecognizable username, saying I found a girlfriend. The complete insanity that has overtaken long since was obvious. I was showered with insults and told to get out. Imagine the same occuring just a year before, in July 2016?  All control over the subreddit had been completely lost. Eventually I started insulting these crazy people back, just to banned.  The subreddit was by now a complete cesspool that looked like a convention of mentally challenged albinos.

By now there were already huge mocking communites targeting incels, and the tragic thing is, they had a lot to mock. Had I remained such communities would have showed up eventually, but would consist of few far-left crazies. Now even sane people saw a lot that was to be mocked. All the insanity of putting –cel after every word, calling everybody a cuck and everything a cope was right there, connected to the term incel. This was a process that started with my ban in July 2016. The subreddit, by now being a complete atrocity, was mercifully shut down in November 2017, having spent more than a year being a complete disaster.

And that’s the story of how I lost my sub that offered real reasons and solutions to incel and how the term got hijacked by maniacs, which the incompetent moderator team was unable to stop.

Alek Minassian attack simply saw the culture of places like Lookism and Sluthate being now carried over to the term incel itself. The most sickening thing is that these communities barely used the word before and that they both still exist but are pretty much ghostowns today. That they have overtaken the word is the fault of an extremely idiotic moderation team that couldn’t see what was right under their noses. Myself included !


This is a long post and I am obviously very hurt by this disaster. However, in truth, I wasn’t terribly upset by  my Reddit ban in July 2016, as I had no idea that things would turn out so tragically. But to see something you built be overtaken by human scum and for consequences of it to be reflected in all of media is truly heartbreaking.  It is one of the most traumatic things I’ve have ever had to live through. It is incredibly tragic that this took place, and would be completely unimaginable in most other situations in life. It is only the specific way Reddit operates that made this possible at all.

The truth is that could have had control of r/incels even today had I just made different choices (like merely posting on subreddits about cats).

For all of you who read this and know just how idiotic the groups that have taken over the current mainstream of the incel name, I want to tell you just one thing – I am indeed sorry. There was hardly a way for me to predict this would occur. If I could go back 2 years I assure you that it would not. But now there isn’t much I can do anymore but perchance start my own incel community. I was thinking about that a lot. Now, some of you know I am currently mostly hanging out with male sexualists like Eivind Berge, Tom Grauer, Holocaust21 and Nathan Larson (despite disagreeing with some things Nathan believes in)  as these men still have some brains left. I ‘d start a community for incels and love-shy people, along with male sexualists. Please, if you read all of this huge text tell me what you think about the idea. As I said, there isn’t currently a single one incel community that is worth anything. All are complete disaster for way or the other. If you have any intelligence you will not be on any of these communities.

But things aren’t that simple. Starting a website/forum  is different from starting a subreddit. Reddit is a huge community with thousands of subreddits but it is much more difficult to get people to register on your site specifically. Another problem is that my technical skills are poor and  I know very little about hosting. The current disgusting incel forum was a consequence of a disgusting community but how am I to get a real community? I know about 15 people who will register but how do I get others?

With that in mind, on the issues of creating an online community, check this great video







Interview with Jean-Gabriel Fernandez

This is an interview I had with a French journalism student Jean-Gabriel Ferndandez.

Parts of it are redacted, for two reasons. First reason is that some of this is just tiresome arranging of the deal and the second reason is that parts of it relate to certain personal information that I feel wouldn’t be wise to discern now, especially with the upcoming plans I have. In any case, redacted parts are of no importance for discussing actual issues.

(first messages redacted)

Hello, and thank you very much!

I am aware some questions already have answers in your blog, but it is a necessary part of the interview process so you’re given the full ability to screen what may or may not be printed. I hope this is alright with you. What is going to interest me here, besides your beliefs, is your personal experience, the path that lead you where you are now in life. I encourage you to express yourself freely even if something you’d like to say isn’t covered by my questions!

First of all, could you introduce yourself – either with your real name of a fake name you are okay with me using? How old are you and where do you live (city, country)? What communities relating to inceldom are you a part of or have you been a part of – dedicated subreddits, your blog, love-shy… what else?

Second, can you summarize to me in clear terms I could (and certainly will) directly quote what you consider inceldom to be, what your views on sexuality and women are? I am unwilling to quote bits and pieces of your long and numerous blog posts on the subject for fear of misrepresenting what you mean.

How was your childhood? Did you grow up with your parents, was it a happy time in your life, did you have many friends? When and how did you first discover your sexuality? How did it impact the way you interacted with people around you? Did it change the vision you had of women? Can you remember any specific examples that may illustrate how you shaped your view of sexuality and/or women, one or several events that helped you shape your worldview? Have you ever suffered from conditions such as autism, anxiety disorders or depression, which are very common according to love-shy.com? Would you say you had many friends growing up, in school and early adult life, and how would you rate your ability to relate to other people?

What meaning does the word carry, for you? When and why did you start considering yourself an incel? Was it related to online activities, discovering incel-related communities? You’ve been very active in such communities; what brought you to that, what motivated you? How would you qualify those communities? Are they welcoming, easy to fit in, did they help you on a personal/intimate level? What are the leading ideas that you’ve found are often central to discussions there? I would simply life you to express what you genuinely think of your experience with forums and websites dedicated to incels, please go wild and express all you can think of! Those places generally have a bad reputation, what would you say to people hating on them?

Could you give me a rundown on your past relationships and experiences with women? If that is fine with you, I would also like you to share what your current relationship is like. Who is your girlfriend, how did you meet and how do you feel towards her? I heard you have had a daughter, what can you tell me about her, and what is your relationship with her? Has your worldview evolved since you became a father, and if so how much?

I have plenty of follow-up questions if you’re still feeling up to discuss after that. Either way, I am immensely grateful you accept to answer even just those! Anything you can give me is a precious insight I will try to exploit to the best of my ability. Thank you very much again (and sorry for the many questions, I hope it’s not too much of a bother for you)!


Sure, I’ll reply, it will just take some time. 

” First of all, could you introduce yourself – either with your real name of a fake name you are okay with me using? How old are you and where do you live (city, country)? What communities relating to inceldom are you a part of or have you been a part of – dedicated subreddits, your blog, love-shy… what else?”

My real name had never been disclosed by me or anywhere online. There are several versions of what is believed to be my real name online but none of them are actually my name (remaining explanation on this redacted) I am currently 28 years old and living in (redacted)  for the last 9 months as I have gained employment there. I was born and am actually a citizen of Croatia, from Zagreb (the capital). My heritage is Serbian (my ancestors moved to Croatia in the 18th century).  I would not like to disclose where I am currently in (redacted), as I have a group of haters dedicated to tracking me down. But I feel it is not so important anyway.
The first incel community I have encountered had been Love-shy.com in March-April 2008, which was at the time more about love-shyness (as a romantic phobia that makes one unable to approach men/women with romantic intent) than incel as a form of inability to enter relationships/sexual intercourse – however, in time this changed and more and more incel people appeared while the love-shy aspect and people who were love-shy faded into a background. During that time there was another incel community, Incel Support, but it was hated by Love-shy.com members as it was extremely leftist and politically correct. It had shut down for reasons unknown to me in 2013. 
I started my blog in 2012. Around 2013/2014 a place called PUAHate appeared and also started attracting some incels but I didn’t like it as it was really anti-intellectual. This place changed its name after it had been revealed that Elliot Roger was a member of it. It changed its name to SlutHate. Today several such forums exist, like Lookism etc but I never joined them and consider them immature and anti-intellectual.
As for Reddit, I started the r/incels subreeddit there but I lost control over it in July 2016, after my account had been banned there. After I got banned the place was flooded by idiots from Sluthate and similar places and was finally banned in Nov 2017. 
I am currently planning to open a forum which would house incels, love-shy people and MAPs (minority attracted people) and would have none of the crazy issues that plague current incel communities like cultism (insistence on some “normies”, insistence that you can’t be an incel if you ever kissed or had sex etc). 

“Second, can you summarize to me in clear terms I could (and certainly will) directly quote what you consider inceldom to be, what your views on sexuality and women are? I am unwilling to quote bits and pieces of your long and numerous blog posts on the subject for fear of misrepresenting what you mean.”

(First question) Involuntary celibacy (colloquially incel) is chronic near-total or total absence in a person’s sexuality of intimate relationships or sexual intercourse that is occurring for reasons other than voluntary celibacy, asexuality, antisexualism, sexual abstinence, unreasonable in mate criteria and unfounded fears/dogmas.

A couple of years ago one involuntary celibate person said that, according to him, most people are to be considered in a state of absolute involuntary celibacy when they were, against their wishes, unable to obtain either of these things in more than six months :

1. a relationship

2. unpaid sex

I agree with the definition and think that more than 6 months without both of those things, and against your desire, are abnormal enough to be called incel.

More important than the exact number of months, however, is whether long periods of celibacy are a recurring pattern in an individual’s D/S/R history. Many people go without D/S/R for six-month or longer stretches, but rarely experience such problems as a constantly recurring pattern.

This goes for most people. There are, however, those people who could be considered completely non-celibate with only one of those things in their life. For example, an asexual person could only be satisfied with a relationship while a person not wanting any relationships with anybody could be satisfied with only sex. The key thing is desire.

Also, it is important to note that only unpaid sex is considered to be relevant for whether or not somebody is an involuntary celibates. Involuntary celibates who use prostitutes are still considered involuntary celibates.

(Second question) The second question is pretty vague but I will try to answer to the best of my abilities. Since around 2014 I have become a reactionary anti-feminist who believes that that women should be married off as virgins and not be allowed to vote while males should only be using prostitutes before and during marriage. I believe that four key traits of a good society are 1. monogamy 2. good religion 3. female premarital chastity 4. widely available prostitution.  Number 1 and 4 aren’t contradictory, because sleeping with prostitutes isn’t considered actual cheating in sane societies. Actual cheating is having a lover you invest in. 

I see most modern Western women as sluts one should have no moral qualms about raping and as completely incapable of a committed relationship or marriage. 
I am surprised by how quick you’re tackling this. Thank you very much!
“How was your childhood? Did you grow up with your parents, was it a happy time in your life, did you have many friends? When and how did you first discover your sexuality? How did it impact the way you interacted with people around you? Did it change the vision you had of women? Can you remember any specific examples that may illustrate how you shaped your view of sexuality and/or women, one or several events that helped you shape your worldview? Have you ever suffered from conditions such as autism, anxiety disorders or depression, which are very common according to love-shy.com? Would you say you had many friends growing up, in school and early adult life, and how would you rate your ability to relate to other people?”

I did grow up with both of my parents, who had a stable and happy marriage. But since I was more introverted, serious and intelligent than most other children I suffered bullying in elementary school. This stopped when I started attending high school.
I discovered my sexuality quite early, masturbating as early as 9 or 10. I don’t think this discovery influenced the way I communicated with others much, You must understand that I didn’t have a sister and that all of my social circle until  around the age of 18 were males. So just masturbating didn’t change anything regarding girls at that time.  
My worldview was shaped by my incel only after I was already 25 years old or so, when I started reading the appropriate literature that explained why incel comes about. Several bad experiences I suffered with women, coupled with seeing my friends, all of whom were good people, suffering similar experiences while scum of the earth was attractive to women, and coupled with reading literature like Unwin made me realize what makes women attracted to a certain type of male and why. 
I suffered from depression  and anxiety since I was around 15 and still suffer from them a lot but was never on the autistic spectrum. 
I didn’t have many friends growing up but I have deep connections with those I do have. 
“What meaning does the word carry, for you? When and why did you start considering yourself an incel? Was it related to online activities, discovering incel-related communities? You’ve been very active in such communities; what brought you to that, what motivated you? How would you qualify those communities? Are they welcoming, easy to fit in, did they help you on a personal/intimate level? What are the leading ideas that you’ve found are often central to discussions there? I would simply life you to express what you genuinely think of your experience with forums and websites dedicated to incels, please go wild and express all you can think of! Those places generally have a bad reputation, what would you say to people hating on them? ”

In 2010 a poster on the Love-shy.com whose nickname is Advanced (he’s long since left the forum) created the definition with the 6 months rule. I thought it was reasonable so I naturally applied it to myself since I was in that situation (way over 6 months, of course). So one could say it was related to online activities but that is hardly the point – it is just a term for what was already there. 
When I joined love-shy in 2008 I was much more interested in discussing love-shyness (romantic phobia) and didn’t know the term incel. But, as years went by and my phobia started to subside due to more experience with women, I talked less and less about love-shyness and more about incel in general. Since no longer being love-shy didn’t mean I had much more experience I started pondering what was the issue that made me unattractive to women. 
These communities are currently in steep decline, as is the rest of the society. Actual civilized debate is waning. LS.com is now led by an extreme leftist and closed to non-registered posters, and places like Incels forum are the same kind of brain-dead communities that were once Sluthate and similar sites.  This is why I want to start my own forum. One of the things that led to a decline of the incel communities are cultism and lookism.  Cultism, which I mentioned before, is a view that incels are some kind of a specific identity or whatever. That is wrong. It is often a permanent, albeit painful situation. Lookism is a view that looks are all that matters when it comes to attracting women. It is a reflection of an idiotic, superficial society and it is not the truth. Modern Western women are attracted to immorality and stupidity, not looks. 
So where once, around 2008-2013, you had mature discussions on causes and solutions to incel these have now largely waned and are replaced by brainless cultism/lookism on places like Incels.me or Sluthate, while LS.com is closed off and had sunk into irrelevance.
As for the reputation of these places, I always tell people to look at actual content. My blog has a somewhat low reputation but only because those criticizing it are leftist scum  that opposes my reactionary views, just like they opposed that I write anything humanizing incels in the first place. There is a constant view that incels are “entitled”, ie believing they are owed something, when this simply isn’t true for most of them. This “entitlement” is a leftist buzzword to attack all white males and nothing else.
However, current anti-intellectual incels sites like Incels. me have a deservingly bad reputation, as they are filled with crazy people and ideas. 
To people hating these sites I’d say to read the actual content of each of them. Some people have started hating the term “incel” itself, but this is also insane- it only means the 6 month deprivation thing and isn’t connected to any particular ideas on politics or whatever. To believe otherwise is also crazy. 

“Could you give me a rundown on your past relationships and experiences with women? If that is fine with you, I would also like you to share what your current relationship is like. Who is your girlfriend, how did you meet and how do you feel towards her? I heard you have had a daughter, what can you tell me about her, and what is your relationship with her? Has your worldview evolved since you became a father, and if so how much?”

It is difficult to answer this briefly and in a non-confusing way.
I basically had no contact with women until I was around 18. No kisses, nothing.  I had my first kiss around late 2006, and kissed some more girls later on but this was all pretty insignificant.
The first extremely significant event of my life regarding women happened in 2007-2008, regarding a woman I called “The Fatal One”. This was a girl who I met on some dating app and who was extremely aggressive regarding her attraction to me, basically wanting a relationship and sex. But I made a mistake and said I don’t want to commit because I was scared of missing her since she was leaving for about a month and a half.  When I realized my mistake it was already too late and she no longer wanted to be with me, though she did talk to me and arrange meetings later on, to which she’d never appear. Since I couldn’t find another girl I gradually became more and more obsessed, and about one year later, in 2008, I made a post on ls.com saying I will kill myself and her (after I told the story). I didn’t mention her name or my name or anything. In any case, the person who had been an admin at the time reported me and cops came to my house and I made the mistake of cooperating with them and I told them her name. I was detained for a month due to “threats” (which was ridiculous, since she never saw these writing nor did they contain her name) but was eventually acquitted.
My first real girlfriend was with me Nov 2009- Jul 2010. We never had sex as we were both too inexperienced and shy at the time. I didn’t press it too much as I believed there is enough time. But she left me in Jul 2010 and that was a devastating shock to me.
A brief fling I had with a girl in 2011 didn’t result in sex but was significant to destroying my love-shyness, as I kissed her first.
I had sex in 2012 for the first time. The girl was slutty and had a boyfriend. We had sex twice but then her boyfriend came back and she broke it off.
My second relationship was from Oct- Nov 2012. It was a difficult one, with a person not suited for relationships at the time. We did have sex like a normal couple but the person was unstable and it was a long distance relationship so it didn’t last long. This person is now a lesbian and one of my best friends.
In 2013 I had a friend with benefits. This girl was pretty trashy and stupid, and had sex with other men at the time. It ended when she ended up in a mental hospital for 2 months and went back to her home town.

Between 2013 and 2016 I basically stopped all dating. Between the experiences I mention there were many, many failed dates and disappointments. I could no longer bear that. At that time my political views changed a lot and I became a reactionary anti-feminist who hates modern Western women and wants a return of the patriarchy (as explained in that Story of your incel post). I also did some illegal things but this I can’t go into.

In late 2014 I called that girl I used to be friends with benefits with in 2013  back to Zagreb and had unprotected sex with her multiple times since she wanted to be a mother and my haters online were mocking me that I will never reproduce. I have seen how many evil and stupid people did reproduce so I was gonna prove to them that it might not be that hard. And it worked. She got pregnant but I have never seen her since. She first returned to her town on the Adriatic and then she moved to Netherlands in early 2015, in early stages of pregnancy. She has a daughter but I have never been to Netherlands nor do I care about this daughter and she doesn’t want me  in their life either, as was the deal.  My worldview hasn’t evolved much. As I said, I have never seen my daughter but I got evidence that it isn’t so hard to breed. You have to use people around you, even if they are somewhat ill, like that girl is (she has schizophrenia). It’s the best you can do in this society. 

In early 2017 I became a Muslim and moved to (redacted) for a while.  There I was introduced into their Muslim community. I met my girlfriend via Tinder. She claimed to be 18 years old but was in fact just 17 (she lied about her age at the time). This relationship is different than the ones I had before. I now know how women are dealt with in the current non-patriarchal rotten society. My girlfriend is tightly controlled by me and my Muslim community, and she is available to them in every way. I realize now that good relationships are only possible in a patriarchal, coalpha society. 

Also, I’d like to mention one more thing. The leftists/liberals say that incels promote violence etc. But you must understand what the liberal definition of violence is to understand just how hollow that is. Liberalism is hatred of the whites. An act of rape is a crime of rape only when a white rapes. Other acts defined as rape by liberals are whites having consensual sex, whites asking a girl on a date, and every other act a white does to get a relationship and sex.  

Are you done replying? I’ve went through your answers and I find it fascinating. Thank you very much for all your insights!

I will crunch the answers you gave me and see what I can get out of them, then I may come up with follow-up questions (although what you told me seems really rich and complete already). I am very grateful to you!

(boring arrangement parts redacted)
Also, have you the 2014 article Der Spiegel made about incels? If not, I can show you. This German journalist spent 2 days with me. 

If you have things you want to share, even if I don’t ask you to, please feel free to contact me! I contacted a few other prominent incel bloggers, none of which replied to me so far. I am in touch with a french incel community, a psychiatrist specialized in the effects of celibacy in the adult life as well as a law firm to learn about the details of legislation when it comes to freedom of speech online.

I haven’t seen it in fact! I don’t speak german but I would love to see it if you wouldn’t mind.

It doesn’t matter if you don’t speak German. There is translation to it in English. This was originally published in the Aug 2014 issue of Der Spiegel. I would just like to warn you about some things in the article

1) (redacted, dealing with personal information)
2) While the article itself contains very little outright lies (I noticed just one where he claims that I said most incels aren’t employed – that’s bs, most ARE EMPLOYED) it’s tone is deliberately negative and corny. This is no surprise if you know how Der Spiegel writes about various things it sees as “extremist” -Salafists, Ukranian separatists, etc etc. Their tone is always sanctimonious and wants to present something as this big danger. He makes these stupid assertions which are true by themselves but make no sense – I didn’t look at him in the eyes at first (why would I?), I wore the same clothes two days in a row (yes, I just showered the moment before I met him in the afternoon and just threw my clothes off and went to sleep when I arrived, as it was very hot during that time in Zagreb, it’s no sign of bad hygiene or anything, my clothes were really light), he suddenly mentions that one of my friends (fschmidt) had an idea about coalpha men starting a community as a sign of extremism etc. He even starts quoting that guy who shot at Reagan at some point though he was never incel !!!
The article is a kind of leftist hack job typical for Der Spiegel. It’s designed to shame and say we’re all bad because some of us have un-PC views and that this is why we can’t have women 😀 (hahahah)
 But if you have some questions regarding it please ask
Anyway, enjoy.. https://pastebin.com/DaPHBUN8 (As you can see, the title itself is just slander – “Male, single, life threatening”  Guy is a moron
Thank you very much, I’ll make sure to read it carefully. I must admit I am a bit overwhelmed with all the info you’ve provided me with (which is a great thing mind you), I will need some time to sort all of it out. Until then, have a great evening!
I would just briefly say that incel is something that has always existed in one form or another. The issue is, what makes certain men incel. In modern feminist society men with intelligence and good character are incel because modern feminist society removed the need for good provider men. This is well explained in my Story of your incel article. So good men should find wives in non-feminist places like parts of Asia (Philippines come to mind) as modern Western women are currently attracted to bad men and aren’t suitable to be good wives. So one should feel no guilt about even having non-consensual sex with them. 
Thanks for this additional statement. When you say “So one should feel no guilt about even having non-consensual sex with them”, are you saying rape isn’t morally reprehensible in your opinion? Have you ever practiced it yourself?

I obviously won’t/can’t say if I practiced it myself but it is quite obvious from my posts. I believe it isn’t morally reprehensible if the raped ones are modern Western women who feminism turned into worthless scum. This doesn’t mean that all women everywhere deserve to be raped. Women in non-feminist places shouldn’t be raped and even some women in feminist places (like Amish or Mormon women in America) don’t deserve to be raped.

On a related note, many of my enemies have this fallacy that because I hate modern Western women I must hate all women. This is a basic misunderstanding of my positions. I don’t like women on location x (Western world) and time period y (modern time) and even then there are exceptions like the ones I mentioned. My enemies, since they are fools, believe I hate all women everywhere at any time, which is nonsense. 
Corollary to that, I must warn you, and you have likely already noticed, that many lies and false claims are spread about me online. Those spreading them are usually too stupid to even  be conscious that they’re lying and actually believe the nonsense they’re saying despite obvious evidence to the contrary. Of course,  I am not the only person who suffers this kind of slander- This is what I call a post-truth, fake news society. It is one of the reasons somebody like Trump had been elected. 
I see. I took good note of all that. I interviewed quite a few incels and medial professionals on the subject, I believe I can start writing the final piece as soon as tomorrow. Thanks for your cooperation.


I believe I mentioned this before but again, let me warn you that the term incel itself has gained a lot of flak and various people define it in various ways. I believe my definition withj the 6 months is the most reasonable one but there are many crazy people out there of various stripes who define it in various ways. Some see every identifying as incel as meaning you are bad (those are usually liberals) even when they themselves are incel. And some incels think even kissing or sex means you can’t be incel ever again. There are a lot of very, very sick people out there. 
(latter parts redacted as they’re merely about technical matters)
In any case, it seems this piece had been published in the Student Journal so he says it is not publicly available but offered to send the article in French if I’d like. I kinda lack the time to translate and proofread it now but will do so in due time.

Some blogs I can support

I apologize to my readers for the lack of posts. My life was quite spectacular during the last 12 months and I couldn’t bother with the blog as well. I hope new ones will be coming soon.

Meanwhile, I can support some of the new bloggers who have recently started to write against feminism and in support of  male sexualism movement (an idea that male sexuality should be reasserted) and minor-attracted people. I am not sure if there is a unified definition of a MAP, since some definition mentions being attracted to people below the age of consent and some being attracted to children (aka those 11 and below in this case). In the case of the first definition, I am definitely a MAP as well, as I believe the ages of consent in most places in the world to be ridiculously high. They should not be above the age of 12 (another issue of this problem is that liberals don’t actually support age of consent applied to anybody but white males, and would gladly see those they see as oppressed in society have sex with anybody of any age, even newborns, as explained here).

The Daily Antifeminist is very active and had already been endorsed by the veritable Eivind Berge. Now, the problem with him is that he himself admits some of his posts are satire but this is actually highly irrelevant since a) none of his posts he even describes as satire as of too immature content and actually still describe problems and ideas well b)  a reader can just decide to post as if the every post is serious. Your thoughts are still valid regardless of the post.

Other two blogs I can recommend are AmericanRifleman, a blog of a MAP, and DJTRASHporn, a blog of a male sexualist taking on neo-puritanism.

Of course, these recommendations can be rescinded at any time due to the behavior of these bloggers.

In defense of Maria Ladenburger’s fate

(A DISCLAIMER – this is not a call to violence. It is not even supporting violence in general. It is an intellectual argument that philosophically justifies a certain violent act to a point by contextualizing it within an already very difficult and bleak situation).

NECESSARY READING TO UNDERSTAND THIS POST BETTER (If you haven’t read any of these by the order outlined here)




blackpillMaria Ladenburger’s murder  doesn’t seem to have that many articles on it online, which is just what I expected. The subject is one liberals don’t like to talk about so the mainly liberal media ignored it – a young German woman was raped and drowned by a Muslim. Well, I guess it is not surprising given that it seems her own family immediately showed themselves to be massive cucks, but even without this amusing epilogue this is a story Western European media wanted to avoid.

The reason for this, as I came to realize in the recent years, isn’t just some simplistic explanation that would involve a word “political correctness”, a word that would somehow have to explain everything. The actual reasons, once they’re actually explained in a manner that relates to actual people and events and not some phrase, are that liberals erroneously believe a certain incorrect picture of the history of the world (I was gonna write more on this when I do an article on liberals in general but am having trouble finishing it)  which goes something like this – “Around 1500 AD the whole non-European world was free, happy, sane, prosperous and probably even liberal when these evil Europeans enslaved everybody. They’re the ones who caught blacks and brought them to Europe and America, they’re the ones who destroyed massive Indian populations and they should be punished as the scum they are for the rest of their existence.”

Now, as for more on the intellectual origins, I really don’t know. I’d check Roosh’s writings on Frankfurt school but you should take everything on such issues (from everybody, the problem is not Roosh himself) with a grain of salt. Intellectual history can be extremely complicated and by now it is quite irrelevant anyway.

The point that is relevant to this post is that liberals know nothing about things like Arab slave trade and its extremely high rates of mutilation and mortality, have no idea that Arab pirates captured European slaves up to 18th century, that most of North America in 1500 AD was huge patches of empty land, and, most importantly, can’t understand the idea that not a single acre of the world was liberal in 1500 AD and that these European “conquerors” were the first to become liberal.and spread this disease to some parts of the remaining world (basically just North America, Australia and some parts of South America), with huge areas of the world never ever becoming liberal.  Amazingly, these areas that never became liberal are some that liberals tend to think about most fondly, at least in their writings. Of course, actually living there is usually a different story though, luckily, having strong convictions about this got a few of the more convinced liberals killed.

In the lieu of these misconceptions, liberals have no real problems with classes they see as underprivileged killing the privileged ones. What they do have a problem with is the underprivileged classes still being presented in what might be a bad light to some people. Now, if everybody became liberal tomorrow there wouldn’t be this problem and liberals could freely express what they really feel. But since the cultural mores change so slowly, and in some instances can be even set back (think of the strong backslash against feminism and liberalism in the recent years) liberals still need to maintain appearances.

But let us get back to Maria Ladenburger. Of course, with knowing this it is easy to understand why liberals are in fact happy about this murder (a white woman got what she deserved due to acts of her forefathers by an under-privileged minority) but less happy with it being talked about, given that such murders still provoke negative feelings in non-liberals, especially what we would call “The Normies” (more on that later).

This text isn’t really addressing liberals much. Liberals and myself agree with this murder. I will say once again liberals agree with and and are celebrating Maria Ladenburger’s murder.  To liberals the murder of Maria Ladenbuger is just oppressed people taking what belongs to them – and that is everything they ever wanted. Her life, your life and every life. If you don’t understand that you don’t understand basic facts about liberalism.  

But, who is unhappy with this murder? Well, I can roughly define two major groups of public that would be outraged by this murder.

First group are what is now referred to as “The Normies”, which would in sociopolitical context basically be people without too many strongly held or fringe views on things. And this would still include the majority of people on majority of things, from economics and crime to race or basically anything else. To an extent that they have any views their views are basically some kind of vanilla middle ground view of their current culture. So if you were to try and observe the views of such people on economy or governance in general they would likely resemble some kind of vague, vanilla social democracy. Don’t be fooled into thinking that these “Normies” are some kind of blank slates though – the views of these people in the West will likely be extremely slanted to the left. I wrote about this some time ago, basically trying to extrapolate why what is the current formal liberal teaching seemingly so close to what what would be seen as sane views of empathy, redemption or universalism – they still resemble a version of what in Christianity ! . Of course, current liberals no longer believe in this and have moved to much harsher racism/sexism against whites and males, but these “Normies” would basically be the people who still buy into the “Scripture”. So, these are the first kind of people to be outraged by this because they sort of function like machines and get off on keywords like “rape, murder, young girl”, despite not really having any kind of coherent, sensible ideology behind it.

The second group would be the right or alt-right. I am still differentiating between these groups and would normally never put them together but I will blend them this time due to what would, at least from my judgement, and I could be wrong, be the similar reactions on this. And these are predictable and really don’t need that many words – accusations against Islam and migrants.

And these accusations would be ok, if they weren’t missing the bigger point.

Back in January of 2016, after making a post suggesting that a Muslim takeover of Western Europe and the remaining sane Western Europeans living as dhimmis is the only sensible option remaining to possibly save civilization in it I was surprised at just how positive most of the reactions were, even from people who do have some stake in the current system remaining in one form or another, like married mothers of small children. The decay runs deep and many people are aware of this.

Yet, there were some in the alt-right who called me traitor and suggested I be hanged. This, obviously, is an alt-righter still interested in fixing the current Western culture.

So, where does this disagreement come from?

I’m going to be brave enough, no matter how much some members of the braindead army of total morons following me might use this to say “Yeah, you’re just angry because you can’t find a girlfriend!” (which is absolutely correct, you cannot find a girlfriend in the West and this makes me angry to no end), that the way you see the problem is mostly about how successful you are with women and what do you mean by success.  Of course, I am talking about those in the Alt-Right. Being a moron itself doesn’t guarantee you won’t be an incel anymore. The amount of morons is just too large for that. There are many, many incel morons of various stripes, from liberals who would die to enact the same policies that will make them single and childless for life, to lookists obsessed with facial ratios and believing that some magic number in that aspect will solve their problem.

If you are in the Alt-Right and you have a girlfriend or a wife then there is a fairly good chance you will believe there is something to fight for, despite the decay you’re seeing. This is pretty understandable and natural – even if you lack any friends or even people you like in the degenerate culture you will likely feel you have a stake in it if you have a romantic partner because there is a possibility that your genes might have a stake in it. Even if you don’t have kids now you might in the future, so again – your genes have a stake in it. So you will work to try and fix the sickness you see around you. Why do you think people like ramzpaul are against Muslims? They have kids and thus a stake in society.

On the other hand, even if you have some friends you find decent in the sick culture there will be little investment in it from you unless you have a partner.

These things are so obvious to any sane person that even 15 years ago writing about them would be completely unnecessary, to a point of explaining we sometimes have to eat and piss. Now they must be pointed out.

Who, then, is correct about their estimate? Those who want the West handed over to the Muslims (it is much better to use this expression than abolished or destroyed, given that most of the policies that made West powerful and successful are gone) or want it fixed?

Well, obviously this is not math or physics to have what would sometimes be a straightforward answer akin to “1 plus 1 equals 2¨. Embarrassingly enough, were some miracle to occur and and I could find a sane girlfriend/wife in the West it’s possible that my opinion could change from wanting the West handed over to Muslims to wanting it fixed. But, then again, even in such an unlikely scenario my opinion could once again change once I’d encounter the problems of raising my kids in what is surely to be an even more insane, wicked society than the one we have now or having other males pursue my wife.

So I will offer my opinion as somebody who believes West should just be given upon.

It is not a coincidence I offered a sort of brief story of my life and trauma I suffered up to February 2014 as pre-reading for interested readers. It describes various shenanigans done by women to me through some years (true hilarity being that my own “shenanigans” like, coercion and even attempting blackmail, were always amply awarded by women with their cunts, mouth and tongue while serious, fair and kind behavior never got me anywhere). Purely chronologically the post is a bit obsolete. I could add a lot more of female craziness and my own backslash to today’s situation. Since then I had a baby with a schizophrenic woman, a baby I’ve never seen and all this as a part of an arrangement, told my best female friend that I won’t accept her when she couldn’t go anywhere but stay at my place unless she fucks me, to which she consented and doesn’t have a problem with now,  and that’s just the things I can talk about – when it comes to most of it I unfortunately can’t.

And mind you, these are not women who are from places like Germany or France. They’re Central European in their mentality. They have more in common with Czech or Austrian women then either British or, for example, Russian women. Yet, their taste in men, their capability to maintain relationships, all of it was, is and always will be completely mangled.

Basically, in what is my opinion, and I stated as much in my last article on Trump, I believe modern Western women are not salvageable and that no superficial political changes will do much about this, as these will not have much influence on the way people will lead their day to day lives. Much like George W. Bush presidency didn’t improve the quality of modern American women I have no reason to believe that the Trump presidency will. Same for a place like UK – did the Conservative government in UK, which had been in power since 2010, make British women better? And examples like these are all over the rest of Europe where you have the so-called “conservative” or “right-wing” governments. Even in a place like Poland, which bans even abortion, you have Nixonian level riots by liberals and constant tension, with big cities like Warsaw swarmed by foreigners and women who are actually worse than even most American women in smaller cities (which is more of an indication of how bad these Polish women are than the quality of such American women).

The battle is lost. I don’t know what is there to explain anymore. Trump or any other political figure aren’t going to change female behavior because, at the end of the day, these women don’t give a fuck who is in charge of the country. For the kind of change some alt-right readers are suggesting Western political figures would have to have immense power that would affect even religious matters and implement this power in a way that would completely change the basic tenants of current Western societies and this will not happen

As much as I would like for many of these alt-right people to be right, I really don’t see how any kind of Western renaissance will happen in 2017 or basically in any year. Checked your Tinder or OKCupid accounts lately, gents? Are women saner and more civilized now because some orange idiot is in office?

When looking at some of these alt-right women, I rarely if ever see any ready to get married and squeeze out some kids. Most are just talk and not much else.

I know it would probably be easier for the kind of audience this blog had been attracting during the last year or two to play I’m very hopeful but it’s been years since I had the energy or patience for this. I am simply even more certain today than I ever was that Islam is our future. It is the only religion and an idea to combine such robustness with correct values and it is, unlike the hated altright, completely protected and held sacred by liberals.

With all this in mind, who was Maria Ladenburger? Well, her Wikipedia article says she was a German medical student who died when she was almost 20 and unmarried (search results on other sites say she was a daughter of some EU official but that is less important for the quantitative part).

So let us try to bring statistics into this equation. This amusing Durex study shows that she was likely not a virgin. These stats show that it was about 35 percent likely she would have a child out of wedlock in just 2014 (Table 3) and that her chances of being married at all were… well, getting slimmer every year, with a slight change upwards in 2014 (Table 1). That is if she would ever have kids – luckily, there’s Muslims. Now, we can speculate this or that on her personality. Obviously none of us knew her. But even using just some quickly found statistics one can easily see why Maria Ladenburger was, like most young Western European women, likely on her way to be a slut who was to be childless or have a child out of wedlock. And bear in mind, she was not even 20. All the indicators I outlined here will get worse, not better. As one character from a TV show I used to watch said “I know it’s tragic to think that way but you can’t argue with the fucking logic !” 

Qualitatively, things are a bit more tricky as they go into the emotional aspect which can’t be expressed with just numbers. But I’ll argue that they’re covered well enough. Most decent, moral men have their horror stories with women. Along with my February 2014 text, I highly recommend these stories written on CoAlpha forums in September 2015. One of the worst problems with anecdotal, qualitative evidence is that you can always find some moron whose stories with Western women were happy and most of our idiocratic society will find his story to be more uplifting and credible because the author is mainstream, even if it’s obvious by the way he acts later that his success was due to the fact that he was a massive asshole and as dumb as dirt. But, I won’t go into that any longer, seeing I already covered it and concluded that one must make their own conclusions on whether or not today’s Western women are worth it.

Maria Ladenburger was likely to become everything or at least most of things this blog is so vehemently against. Her parents’ money would likely ensure that she is protected from any consequences of her future shenanigans and that she is able to proceed with these on a high level. She was likely rotten even at the time of her death and even more likely to become rotten very soon. And she was, like current women in Trump’s USA, not to improve if some right wing party had won the elections. Had she lived, she would very likely be a source of trauma for every decent man in Germany (well, um, both of  them) who was unlucky enough to see potential for anything more serious than careless pump and dump in her. She would almost certainly be a pest, let us be honest, Westerners. She is the kind of girl who would reject you for treating her respectfully so you can be called an asshole and a “nice guy” by her brain-dead army of liberal virginal fanatics (whose ultimate prize isn’t pussy anyway but being loyal soldiers of their own tragedies) if you object in any way while the moron with an IQ of 20  fucking her somehow has “actual personality” – a stance these loyal liberals would hold as long as those being annoyed with Maria are members of the appropriate groups one is allowed to hate (you can usually tell them by the color of their skin and lack of gay mannerisms).

With its brain-dead youth, assholish majority of population and complete internalization of cancerous social policies like feminism West is dying old man. So Maria was a sad but a necessary victim of a situation where West has forfeited its reproductive, economic and every other future to a stronger group like Muslims.

On a lighter note…

The Trump thing

I’ve gotten a few questions asking me what I think about Donald Trump’s victory.

Since I do have an idea about  a good comparison of the whole situation with problems I am blogging about I will use this comparison later and that should be the most important part of this article.

But before I get on to that some introduction to my views about this entire thing, given that I didn’t write about US primaries or election at all. I will also say what I believe the future might be. I stress that this is not a general article about my views on America. Such an article is something that might appear one day but this isn’t it.

So, Trump has won and will be President. l I must say I was happy that night. Seeing the anger and despair of feminists and liberals, the worst scum to ever walk this planet, is something that will always make me happy. And this was their night of tears. It was, despite me not having any big emotional investment, one of the happiest and most exciting nights of my life. Suddenly, after 8 years liberals are suddenly where they were last in around 2004 – completely outside of any power, impotent and frustrated. I am sure that even just a day earlier they certainly had no inkling that they would find themselves in such a situation ! I am admittedly happy that Hillary lost. This candidate was supported by some of the worst and sickest animals in the world, supported by people who hate me and every other straight white male, who advocate killing of everybody white, even the smallest children. These monsters have now lost.

But what had been won?

Now, with some weeks gone, I am ready to offer up some objective analysis.

I find Trump to be amusing, in the lack of a better word.  To me, he seems to be some kind of a slimy mixture of Ronald McDonald and Foghorn Leghorn, and there is something eerily artificial about his hair and general appearance. I can also recognize some kind of a conman aura around him. Many of his business ventures, like “Trump University”, are obvious scams and most of his business successes were achieved by screwing-over  people. His vast support among Christians is also very much a joke.

But he is obviously not unintelligent, and can be quite articulate in some situations. However, you would not believe this from reading a transcript of one of his speeches, especially when the teleprompter is off. But in this Trump is merely adjusted to an average American, and it is virtually completely unimportant if it is planned or not. For Americans are the dumbest group of people in the world, virtual human garbage. Most posters I banned from this blog or some incel platforms I was in charge of were Americans who are simply too stupid to understand anything I said. I used to watch at disbelief at the things many of them said in trying to “debate” me in posts that called me out for my insults to Americans. They were too idiotic to see the glaring fallacies the very posts that were to tell me why Americans aren’t idiotic vermin contained. Their replies were something like “Don’t tell me Americans are this or that, you stupid fuck, fallacy 1, fallacy 2, fallacy 3, recycled fallacy 1, insanity, stupidity, stupidity, insanity….”. As usual, most of such imbeciles weren’t some anti-science fundamentalists, Christians or such types. They were smug liberal vermin that was so keen on insulting the groups I mentioned in the previous sentence, a prime example of what America is – a big Dunning-Krueger effect.

Of course, Americans aren’t the only morons in the world. Many other freaks from various parts of the world, usually liberals, don’t fall very much behind in terms of lack of reading comprehension and just pure insanity. But there is something specific about Americans that makes even the sanest alt-righters or/and anti-feminists often unable to grasp written text.

And this is the kind of audience Trump or basically any other candidate of any of the parties, even the small, insignificant outlier ones had to talk to. This fact must never be forgotten.Americans are human the scum of the Earth. Were the birthrates in the world somehow dwarfed enough an average IQ would go up several points every time an American dies. 

In many ways the current state of the America was reflected in the remaining candidates of this election cycle.

The left in 2016 election

Bernie Sanders was, in many ways, the worst candidate any of the parties had to offer this entire election, were we to look at it with a goal of keeping America alive ( a goal me and many of my readers don’t tend to share). So in a sense he was at the same time also the best candidate for somebody who wants America gutted as soon as possible. His idiotic plans would have added enormous debt and his general effect on the economy would be something akin to what I saw on Twitter under the title “What Bernie would do the US economy”, with a scene of Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter massacring that guard in “Silence of the Lambs”. It is, however, kind of a pointless endeavour to even debate what he’d do in the White House, given that not only would he be resisted at every point by a Republican Congress and Senate but also given the fact that he had no real chance of winning the primaries either.

The reason for his inability to win the primaries was that the DNC decided to prop up a weak, sickly and unpopular candidate like Hillary Clinton.

Notice how both Trump and Bernie had their own personal army of followers? Trumpets and Bernie Bros were all over the Internet. These candidates, like Obama (or even Ron Paul, for that matter !) in 2008 had their own stories, something that made their campaigns stand out, something that made their campaigns different than some regular boring campaign of a politician. Their fans would be popping out all over the social networks, their supporters would form up grassroots movements and these were really no ordinary campaigns.

But what did somebody like Hillary have? None of that !  She was immensely unpopular from the very beginning, burdened with multiple affairs and just seemed like somebody whose best days were behind her. I, for one, believe politics is often about luck, unforeseen circumstances and charismatic people that show up behind the corner, people you can’t really predict. During the last two decades in the West these appeared on the left more often than the right and prolonged its life when it objectively had very little to offer.  Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Barack Obama were just that – charismatic people who were good at selling bullshit. In that aspect, Hillary was quite unlucky to run into Obama during the 2008 election, when she appeared younger and less hated.

During the last month or so of Hillary’s campaign all her pathetic misguided strategy came to light. She danced around with Beyonce and such individuals, all of whom have nothing to do with common Americans, while completely neglecting the heartland of the country. But what could she offer anyway? The entire Democratic Party is a party of corrupt, disgusting elitists far removed from workers and the common folk. Fuck, it was her husband that finished off the Rust Belt after Reagan already bloodily wounded it. But the even more important reason was that she simply didn’t give a fuck. Her campaign was the most progressive one in history, going completely left, partially due to influence of Bernie Sanders, by the end turning into one huge tranny-gay fest, all peppered with Hollywood left.

What must also be mentioned is the feminism of the both candidates. Bernie Sanders is at least honest in his feminism. He is an old fool who had believed all these horrible things for decades, even when they were not very popular. That is in its own way commendable, though many of his beliefs are awful. Hillary, on the other hand, is much more disgusting. The ferocity with which she persecuted Bill Clinton’s victims in the 90s, compared to her current feminist views, just like her changes of mind on things like gay marriage, are all indicators of massive, disgusting snake (not that Trump was much better in his statements through the years but he never had the power to inflict such damage).

The right in  2016 election

When Republican primaries took off in 2015 it all seemed so familiar to 2011-  a clown cart with 20 candidates, debates which even had two sections this time (for candidates above a certain number in the polls and those below – remember Rick Santorum?) and loads of crazy.

I won’t go into what happened beyond but will say that I still believe Ted Cruz, for all his awkwardness and some cuckishness he exhibited later, was still the best of the remaining four candidates in the race in May 2016. I think he was honestly on the side of the average working American, or at least that this is something he believed in. But it didn’t happen. Americans, as they always do, had to choose a worse candidate.

General election

If you read this post up to know you probably understand I found both candidates pretty pathetic and didn’t care much about either one. While I believed that Hillary was more capable there were many reasons to be against her. As somebody opposed to women’s suffrage and any kind of political rights for women I thought that having a female president, even in this late stage of the US, would be a disaster. Some of the reasons related to gender were explained well by Roosh here, especially the part that said….

Obama was the “race” president, and look how badly he has damaged race relations in only eight years. Hillary will be the “gender” president. The future we have in store should be absolutely clear to you if she happens to defeat Trump….Not only will she move to establish a techno-matriarchy where men are second-class citizens to any female, but she will ensure that no movement or organization will be able to challenge her or her establishment cronies ever again. This isn’t a trivial matter of getting banned from a web site like Twitter or Youtube—many of you will be forced to escape the country for no other reason than you happening to be a man who found himself on the wrong side of the establishment.

Yes, another 4-8 years of Democrats was an extremely bad idea. It would be giving more power to the SJW vermin and other ruinous forces. And while I didn’t like Trump much I liked the idea of the neoreactionary movement being emboldened by his victory.

Another extremely important reason for me preferring Trump’s victory was to give white people breathing space. America is an insane country. It cannot stand and should not stand. There are countries in Europe that led many wars between themselves whose citizens hate each other much less than Americans hate each other. What do East coast feminazi cunt writers or New York hipster libtards have to do with white conservatives in, say , Kansas? What do ghetto blacks have to do with Charleston high classes? Not much but mutual hatred is what binds many of the groups in America, hatred based on various racial and, much more crucially, ideological differences.  In December 2014 I already outlined what the goal of whites in America should be. I still hope this will come to fruition soon.

And while I’ll give bonus points to those who recognize that animals like BLM Movement were never used as Hillary’s personal army, unlike sort of personal armies of fans Trump and Bernie had,  the sympathy Bernie/Hillary had towards these beasts was still very worrying.

Still, wishing was one thing and reality seemed to be something completely different. In what was likely the most epic flop of a number of institutions dealing in polls/predictions in history all of us were bombarded by predictions that Hillary was sure to win. It seemed that way to me as well. Just look at it from a historical point of view – Democrats won 5 of 6 elections before 2016 in terms of popular vote (make that 6 of out of 7 now that we count the 2016). Republicans won the 2000 election by the skin of their nuts and 2004 election was won in specific circumstances of 2003-2004 America and the atmosphere of war the country was in at the time (of course, the atmosphere before the 2008 election was also specific in its own sort of way but I won’t go into that here). And while Republicans won a solid victory in 2010 it obviously didn’t manage to translate into the next presidential election. With House/Senate elections not being a good predictor of presidential ones it could be said that, despite another victory Republicans obtained in 2014, around 2013-2015 it was a completely reasonable question to ask yourself if there will ever be a Republican president again.  Few, if any, like the always brilliant Ryan Faulk, dared suggest a possible Trump victory by seeing encouraging signs from the primaries, like people not usually voting in Republican primaries voting for Trump (something that was also the case for Obama in Democratic primaries, especially in 2008).. As I mentioned previously, even something like big crowds or support on social media didn’t seem to amount to much – Ron Paul had these  Thus was my shock and satisfaction even greater.

The future

It is a fantasy to believe that Trump’s presidency will change much. As had been previously explained, America had pretty much for all intents and purposes died by 1920 and the disastrous decision of the 19th Amendment, though some opinions place the beginning of the end even earlier, in 1800s. So in this aspect, which is a crucial one, America will not return to sanity. Trump won’t abolish women’s suffrage, he won’t bring women back into kitchens, none of this will happen. Did the Bush presidency restore the value of American women? Did the Reagan presidency stabilize what was a rapidly plummeting value of American women in the 80s (of course, with certain noble exceptions of women in backwoods areas, exceptions which still exist today) ? No, the battle is lost. The best aspect in terms of women will be, as Roosh says, to make it easier to find a fellow traveler. But even there you need to be careful which traveler to choose.

In terms of feminism, SJWs, alt-right etc, all of these things are kinda irrelevant ultimately if you look at the paragraph above, which outlines the real crux of the issue. Without abolishing women’s suffrage, without a hasty return to strict patriarchy, nothing of real relevance will happen. And we know Trump could never do that.

Economically, things are a bit more complex. Protectionism is an obsolete tactic in 21st century. American industry and manufacturing are irreversibly damaged and the current economy is basically the 90s “bubble-gum economy” minus the rosy glasses and delusion. What good is the service sector when there will be less and less to service? Once America abolished the two things that made the US economy boom, which were extremely high tariffs and extremely free markets within the country, it has essentially removed what made it exceptional and turned towards being ordinary. Add masses of third world immigrants to that and you get what is quickly heading towards a third world country. We’ll see what Trump can do on the immigrants themselves but it is unlikely he’ll be able to restore the already destroyed manufacturing.

On the other hand, America does have some natural resources. The problem with this, however, that it is geographically sort of on the periphery of the world. And with what is still a much smaller area and more urbanized area than Russia, along with environmental protection standards that Trump will be unlikely to really repeal and a population of what are basically more and more utter morons I doubt this could in any way change the future of the county in any significant way.

How will the actual presidency look like? It is extremely hard to predict, but a cynic in me would say that it will be a de facto Mike Pence presidency with typical Republican policies (not that this is always a bad thing in degenerate America) while an aging Trump will get a chance to now fool around on the highest level.

I will finish with a following comparison.

I have watched the incel communities devolve from communities of mature, intelligent people whose good qualities are exactly what’s unattractive to scum like modern Western women to weird, exclusive communities rejecting “normies” and making bizarre suggestions about dealing with incel which would could never come true (unlike the suggestions sane reactionary men make, which are basically steps that worked in every successful society). But aren’t such developments in fact just what Trump is on a greater scale? These incels have never been given any hope or a way out. 

Instead they’ve been told they’re lazy and “entitled” for some of them even pointing out that working while being unable to attract a woman is pointless, even though most of them are still working.

They’ve been lied to that modern Western women want consideration, humane treatment and respect, which doomed many of them at a crucial young age. They’ve been lied to and told not to rape and abuse them, and what did they get for this? Hatred and derision by these rape loving sluts who instead adored their abusers and rapists. They were told not to kill women – but women kissed those who killed other women like gods. 

They’ve been told that they’re “mentally ill” (and the term, which can cover everything from anxiety to other problems that don’t effect ones rational mind, was used here as if the “progressive”, “smart” liberals saying this are 17th century shepherds)  for having the most natural reaction in the world – that of dissatisfaction to being denied natural needs like romantic love, companionship and sex. Yet, the same crazies who told them to just ignore these things as if they were a lack of green socks were called normal. 

They’ve had all of the articles covering this problem back when Wikipedia was still a sane, non- leftist site, deleted for no real reasons. They had their places for gathering online like subreddits mercilessly removed after pressure from crazy liberals. 

And, yes, they’ve also been given good advice as well. Advice on how to escape the sick West and it’s mentally ill population, it’s rape worshiping women, its sickening double standards and lack of intellectualism. But guess what? The population, including incels, is getting dumber. Things people like me write about are complicated and require a lot of historical knowledge and abstract thinking. They require you to not be brainwashed, among other things. And, in the end, not everybody can just gather enough money to leave for non-feminist places. Some people, like myself, are already physically ill and weak, some burdened with extreme depression, some unskilled for the kind of jobs that would get them that kind of money. And just going abroad is difficult. It is risky. Places like SE Asia, South America or former-Soviet countries are full of threats and people willing to use you or rob you, just like they’re full of non-feminist women.

Doesn’t something like the craziness of current incel communities look eerily similar to simplicity and silliness of what Trump is proposing? 

Aren’t people like heartless airheads giving impossible advice like “give up on women” kinda like brain-dead Hillary voters? Aren’t their sick non-solutions full of hot air and smugness kinda like what Hillary’s Beyonce campaign was?

Couldn’t those poor incels who can’t just leave the sick West be compared to rural whites who faced complete dispossession and couldn’t just leave America, aren’t young enough or smart enough to find jobs in high tech industries, can’t just start making money essentially doing nothing but writing shitty hateful articles like dirty feminist cunts from the Eastern coast (think Amanda Marcotte or somebody like that)? 

Aren’t those incels who think of more and more extreme ideas just reacting to their merciless persecution by animals in forms on humans who hate them simply because they’re white and want to procreate, much like the alt-right reacts to attacks against themselves on Twitter or Facebook?

Aren’t people like fschmidt, giving you advice that includes radical changes in your life and possibly even changing a country, somewhat like what Ron Paul was in 2008/2012? People who are deep down right but most can’t accept their message because they’re too stuck to their way of life, their country (in the case of incels who are afraid to travel) or the country they know (in the case of people afraid of Ron Paul’s America)? 

And, finally, aren’t all of these problems, both of America or incels, or liberals or whoever else, just a symptom of a larger problem this society has? A problem caused by the fact that feminism should have never ever happened, that it should have been obliterated to pieces and every attempt of it destroyed back in the 19th century?   Please, read


and read it well. Get educated. 

So what did most incels choose? Insanity, in the form of their own Trumpism. And given their own circumstances, who could really blame them?

Bring on the insanity.

Various definitions/types of rape

The word rape has various meanings today. Some, like the one which will be about its sane legal definition, are sadly mostly historical in current Western culture, though they still subsist in some saner cultures even today. So what are these definitions?

Sane definition of the act of rape – This definition is also consistent with Common Law (“Carnal knowledge of a woman forcibly and against her will”) and even with evolutionary psychology (“Human copulation resisted by the victim to the best of her ability unless such resistance would probably result in death or serious injury to her or others she commonly protects” is the definition used by Thornhill & Palmer in A Natural History of Rape).

So rape can only be performed by a penis and of course women can’t rape men.

Sane legal definition of rape – Sane legal systems differentiate between act of rape and a crime of rape. A sane legal definition of rape doesn’t believe all acts of rape are crimes of rape. What nonsense would it be to believe that and to treat the whims of some sluts as actually defacing a virgin or a married woman !

A sane legal definition of rape would define rape as a property crime against the woman’s father or husband. Also, rapes against prostitutes should be prosecuted. But it would certainly never account for rapes of sluts, and would consider raping a slut a justified response that should be praised, not persecuted.

Current insane definition of the act/crime of rape – I am saying act/crime of rape because insane modern Western cultures basically don’t differentiate between the act of rape and a crime of rape. In any case, this definition had been, especially since 2000, expanded to include much more than just the actual act of rape. It now includes any form of coercion, inserting objects into sexual orifices, even the insane claim that a woman can rape a male ! There are feminists/liberals insane enough to believe Brock Turner raped some unconscious woman he fingered or that I raped a woman who offered my sex herself in a phone call, simply because I put her picture on my blog when she decided to torture me (as she later admitted herself).

An actual moral definition of rape used by feminists/liberals – this is what almost all feminists and liberals actually see as rape. It is defined as any act a straight white male does to get sex. Asking a woman out by a straight white male is rape to liberals. Going on a date if you’re a straight white male is rape. On the other hand, no actual act of rape, even rape of smallest children, is rape if it is done by Sacred Classes like blacks, Muslims or Hispanics.

I will admit that there are some feminists and liberals who don’t believe so, but these mostly stop calling themselves feminists or liberals once they realize what these ideologies are about.

It is also true that this definition isn’t yet widely used in law but police officers and judges who don’t use this definition are seen as vermin by liberals and there are places in the West where it’s slowly getting there .

Female definition of rape– Women simply define rape as sex they regret, and pay basically no intention to any other circumstances, including physical pain. So this definition is completely silly and shouldn’t be regarded by anybody sane as anything more than what 5 year-old children think. That some legal systems are starting to bring this definition into equation (though usually by ignoring the sex with a member of Sacred classes females regret) is simply a symptom of a decaying society.